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Public service pay cut?

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Will, there be public service pay cuts and cuts to services themselves after COVID 19? interesting discussion on RTE 1 radio about this, on the other hand, the likes of David McWilliams take a different view on how we can pay for this.

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Signore Fancy Pants

[Deleted User] wrote: »

ah defence forces

my bad! good luck and enjoy

You had me worried :pac: Thought I was going to have to work longer.

You bastard! Have a good one sheep.

[Deleted User]

ah defence forces

my bad! good luck and enjoy

Signore Fancy Pants

[Deleted User] wrote: »

theres pre 95, 2004 new entrants, post 2014 single scheme

im not aware of any scheme where you leave at the age youre projecting and get the pension youre looking for there

early retirement kicks off at 55 for some schemes (not sure if you qualify, doubt it) with massive discounts to the payments

the COAP does not kick in until the usual age if you are post 95

basically, get some advice on your plans. i have major doubts.

I'm 100% certain I am correct. The minimum service to qualify for a pension in the Defence Forces (on the pre-2004 contract) is 21 years.

It is payable immediately following discharge and regardless of age. Obviously subject to income tax, USC and a reduction if I hit OAP age.

[Deleted User]

Tork wrote: »

I wonder how many public servants are now at retirement age or within touching distance of it? If there's a risk of their lump sum or pension being affected, there'll be a lot of retirements.

there was last time.

they sort of rely upon it, therell be another set of ISERs if a recession hits

pls god ill be the right age some day for similar

Tork

I wonder how many public servants are now at retirement age or within touching distance of it? If there's a risk of their lump sum or pension being affected, there'll be a lot of retirements.

kippy

tayto lover wrote: »

Exactly the opposite of what I said. Read it again.

I was refering to another post/poster - not you.

tayto lover

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Micheal Martin first big announcement as Taoiseach will be a 20% PS paycut

Dream on. The last time they cut the PS they were hammered in the next election. One thing FF does is learn from mistakes. No PS cuts going to happen.

tayto lover

kippy wrote: »

Another poster who thinks the Public service dont pay income tax.
It's catching.

Exactly the opposite of what I said. Read it again.

[Deleted User]

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Yeah I'm on a pre-2000 contract so will get the PS pension within a few months of retirement.

Im not fully au fait with this pension lark but will be before I go. Although, you may know more about it than me at this stage.

theres pre 95, 2004 new entrants, post 2014 single scheme

im not aware of any scheme where you leave at the age youre projecting and get the pension youre looking for there

early retirement kicks off at 55 for some schemes (not sure if you qualify, doubt it) with massive discounts to the payments

the COAP does not kick in until the usual age if you are post 95

basically, get some advice on your plans. i have major doubts.

[Deleted User]

Treppen wrote: »

Cos if you pay $hit you get $hit

Oddly enough, not the case with the PS.

The well paid can sometimes be terrible, like the corrupt Gardai, teachers that shouldn't be in a classroom,etc.

While the poorly paid SW clerk generally provides a good service to the public. And even with the poor pay, thousands and thousands wait on panels hoping to join.

Treppen

salonfire wrote: »

They strike anyway, even when not treated unfairly. See the nurses, guards, teachers in recent years.

While a 20pct cut would be unfair, threatening strike is nothing out of the ordinary.

About time their strikes were broken anyway. We don't allow monopolies in food, transport, technology, etc so why should we tolerate this group disruption and withholding of services to society.

Cos if you pay $hit you get $hit

kippy

Tork wrote: »

Everyone went out on strike last time (2009, I think) and it made no difference. The pay cuts went ahead anyway.

It made a difference alright.

Signore Fancy Pants

kippy wrote: »

You are aware that you cannot claim the pension till into your 65 ish (generally) - and that the majority of that 17K is made up of the COAP (roughly 13K at todays rates)

Yeah I'm on a pre-2000 contract so will get the PS pension within a few months of retirement.

Im not fully au fait with this pension lark but will be before I go. Although, you may know more about it than me at this stage.

chrisd2019

Tork wrote: »

Everyone went out on strike last time (2009, I think) and it made no difference. The pay cuts went ahead anyway.

For 2-3 days, organised by the fat cat beards in suits to keep the ground troops occupied while they themselves ate the rich food at the board of directors table associated with their appointments to state boards.:)

Tork

Everyone went out on strike last time (2009, I think) and it made no difference. The pay cuts went ahead anyway.

chrisd2019

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Micheal Martin first big announcement as Taoiseach will be a 20% PS paycut

I hope you have not visited Paddy Power's and put your pension pot on that prediction!

For one thing Micheal Martin's full political career has been based on avoiding big announcements. The indoor smoking ban was not his idea either if you recalling that as a big announcement. He plagiarized it from elsewhere.

Also a lot of skittles still on the edge of the cliff and wobbling in the wind, he could still be the FF leader that never was Taoiseach.

kippy

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Im a Public Sector scumbag :pac:

In the last 12 years, with promotions and pay restoration I am €45 better off a week versus my pay in 2008.

I plan on retiring at 25 years service when I am 43/44. That should give me a pension of about €17,000ish a year with a lump sum payment of just over €30,000.

I intend to secure private sector employment before leaving, the pension wont fully cover the bills but it sure is better than nothing.

Although depending on future PS pay cuts, I will probably exit earlier and get on the private sector gravy train.

You are aware that you cannot claim the pension till into your 65 ish (generally) - and that the majority of that 17K is made up of the COAP (roughly 13K at todays rates)

[Deleted User]

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

All will be out on strike if that's even proposed never mind happens.

And a 20% paycut means I can't pay my state-owned bank's mortgage any more. Talk about an own goal.

They strike anyway, even when not treated unfairly. See the nurses, guards, teachers in recent years.

While a 20pct cut would be unfair, threatening strike is nothing out of the ordinary.

About time their strikes were broken anyway. We don't allow monopolies in food, transport, technology, etc so why should we tolerate this group disruption and withholding of services to society.

Signore Fancy Pants

Im a Public Sector scumbag :pac:

In the last 12 years, with promotions and pay restoration I am €45 better off a week versus my pay in 2008.

I plan on retiring at 25 years service when I am 43/44. That should give me a pension of about €17,000ish a year with a lump sum payment of just over €30,000.

I intend to secure private sector employment before leaving, the pension wont fully cover the bills but it sure is better than nothing.

Although depending on future PS pay cuts, I will probably exit earlier and get on the private sector gravy train.

Sierra Oscar

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

All will be out on strike if that's even proposed never mind happens.

And a 20% paycut means I can't pay my state-owned bank's mortgage any more. Talk about an own goal.

Micheal Martin has committed to increasing pay in line with the current pay agreement. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[Deleted User]

any private company that took the covid payment should see extra tax imposed on its employees until its paid back in full including interest.

im not paying taxes towards that

Ninthlife

If there is a 20% cut to PS they can increase the lower rate band to 30% and 50% on the higher rate for all non PS workers

Get rid of tax credit for self employed

We're all in this together............right

Hotblack Desiato

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Micheal Martin first big announcement as Taoiseach will be a 20% PS paycut

All will be out on strike if that's even proposed never mind happens.

And a 20% paycut means I can't pay my state-owned bank's mortgage any more. Talk about an own goal.

TheDavester

Tork wrote: »

I can see a pay cut happening in some form or another but not 20%. A cut that drastic will take a lot of spending out of the economy.

i wouldn't object to sticking with the current deal and deferring going to the negotiation table ....id guess a freeze on hiring as well will occur..

TheDavester

gmisk wrote: »

Complete and utter BS, where are you getting that from?

Not a chance he would do that....especially with his own party on 14 percent lol.

it would irk me to take a cut as someone who still had to go in everyday earning only 60 quid more than those who got the covid payment ....should they go after the companies who availed of it (particularly the larger companies - ikea are proposing to give back the state aid) and take the money Apple owe

Tork

I can see a pay cut happening in some form or another but not 20%. A cut that drastic will take a lot of spending out of the economy.

gmisk

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Micheal Martin first big announcement as Taoiseach will be a 20% PS paycut

Complete and utter BS, where are you getting that from?

Not a chance he would do that....especially with his own party on 14 percent lol.

TheDavester

Grueller wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that or are you trolling?

its the mirror but googled this from a few days ago

"That's the way it would work out and that's important in terms of the cohesion, durability and solidity of the government to get decisions.

"These decisions we take now and in the next year, will have to sustain over the next four to five years."

He also stressed that he had improved his relationship with incumbent Taoiseach Leo Varadkar over the recent weeks of negotiations.

Martin denied the property tax will increase and revealed the existing public service pay agreement would be honoured.

"We do need a solid, strong, effective public service in any democracy. The current agreement will be fulfilled.

"However, we will seek to negotiate a new agreement but that will be of course, in the context of very very challenging economic figures", he told host Ivan Yates.

"The number one priority facing the country from now on has to be the restoration of jobs and helping people in the private sector to get back to work."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/micheal-martin-tonightshow-virgin-media-22210361

Grueller

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Micheal Martin first big announcement as Taoiseach will be a 20% PS paycut

Do you honestly believe that or are you trolling?

TheDavester

the_syco wrote: »

Lets cut the dole for anyone on it for more than 2years.

fyp