jm08 wrote: » So whats the symbolism of the provincial flags that you hold dear? What does it represent? Is there a national flag that has more than 2 colours (+ white). There is a reason why you don't see too many combined provincial flags around! edit: as well as that, the 4 provincial flags don't work in a small size for example for crests on jerseys etc. It would just be a blob.
Yeah_Right wrote: » I agree. One "coat of arms" on a flag is fine but 4 wouldn't work. The obvious answer is to replicate Canada's except green instead of red and a shamrock instead of a maple leaf.
jm08 wrote: » OK - 3 colours. The IRFU flag with the 4 provinces has about 10 colours and of course the symbols on it disintegrate into a blob when reduced in size.
Deleted User wrote: » I struggle to believe your new found interest in soccer and flags etc has nothing to do with today being the 26th anniversary of loughlinisland massacre Which curiously is in co down....il say no more on risk of being banned
eire4 wrote: » I was very clear. I was and am in favour of the 4 provinces flag replacing the current tricolour after reunification. Nothing remotely opaque about that. Nice try at twisting that very clear and unambiguous statement into something different. Just the kind of disingenuous behaviour by yourself which precludes me from having anything other then enormous skepticism in regards to what you posit in your posts generally and also why I am disinclined to engage with you.
downcow wrote: » is going to enlighten me as to why Linfield chose purple and orange?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Because they thought they would get away with pathetically taunting others. Nobody is buying it, not even the shirt sponsors.
downcow wrote: » Francie. I know it’s late but that is a pathetic edit of my post. I’ll not repeat it as posters can see the original a few posts up.
jm08 wrote: » Shamrock is how St. Patrick explained the Holy Trinity, so maybe not such a good idea in a secular state. Personally, I'd go for the Harp as a nod to our own history and as part of the United Kingdom of GB & Ireland on a green background (basically, the Presidential Standard, except in green, not blue). Still think the tricolour is most appropriate in its symbolism. From an article in the Guardian written by a young unionist who got an Irish passport 4 years ago!https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/16/ireland-unite-reclaim-common-past-build-shared-future
FrancieBrady wrote: » A green rectangle should keep everyone happy. Then you can project/imagine/dream any symbol or meaning on to it that you wish. An Anthem without lyrics as well.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Speaking for myself I would never give up our flag, anthem or anything else to appease unionists.
jm08 wrote: » This is what you asked: Well actually, it was the Vikings who were the slave traders. And then of course the English and Welsh used sell their own kids. The biggest market for slaves was England and that trade fell apart when William the Conqueror banned slavery in the Kingdom of England. Prior to that under Brehon Law, there was a kind of Caste system, but you could move up the ranks if you were not a criminal.
BloodyBill wrote: » I think a whole new flag with none of the present colours or symbols would be the best way forward. The IRFU flag is not suitable as a country's Flag. 4 different symbols is a non runner. Simplicity is the best way forward. The artists should just be given parameters that the colours and shape should have no link to the past whatsoever.
Hamsterchops wrote: » Wow, that's a pretty hardline, uncompromising approach to an all island harmonious "Unity".
Not sure how they'd react to that up North
BloodyBill wrote: » Dublin was founded on slavery. It was the biggest slaving town in Europe after Marseille. Absolving the native Irish if any involvement is silly. It's like the current denying of any involvement of ordinary Irish in colonialism or Empire building.
When the Vikings established early Scandinavian Dublin in 841, they began a slave market that would come to sell thralls captured both in Ireland and other countries as distant as Spain,[5] as well as sending Irish slaves as far away as Iceland,[6] where Gaels formed 40% of the founding population,[7] and Anatolia.[8] In 875, Irish slaves in Iceland launched Europe's largest slave rebellion since the end of the Roman Empire, when Hjörleifr Hróðmarsson's slaves killed him and fled to Vestmannaeyjar.I][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I Almost all recorded slave raids in this period took place in Leinster and southeast Ulster; while there was almost certainly similar activity in the south and west, only one raid from the Hebrides on the Aran Islands is recorded.[9]
downcow wrote: » So are you saying those living in Ireland did not send raiding parties to Briton to grab slaves? That contradicts what you said a few posts ago
BonnieSituation wrote: » How you ever kept your shambles is beyond me. I mean, a Union Jack in the canton? Bleugh!
Yeah_Right wrote: » In the referendum a few years ago I voted for change. Unfortunately we lost. I accepted that. Didn't blow anything up. It's called democracy.
eire4 wrote: » Well again you do not like the 4 provincial flag as a potential flag for Ireland after reunification that is your opinion and is fine. For myself personally I do like the 4 provinces flag and would happily see it as the Ireland flag after reunification. However having more then 2 colours and not including white and symbols on jerseys is not unusual. Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, South Africa, Zambia, Central African Republic, Comoros, Zimbabwe, South Sudan, Libya, Mozambique, Mauritius, Seychelles, Armenia, Germany, Lithuania, Azerbaijan, Jordan, Andorra, Romania, Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, Jamaica, St Kitts and Nevis, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka etc. By no means an exhaustive list but clearly many countries have more then 2 colours not counting white and often symbols as well in their national flags. As for its symbolism it represents all 4 green fields of Ireland so to speak beautifully IMHO. As for using the 4 provinces flag on sporting jerseys well not sure there are very many national sporting bodies in Ireland that do not use the Shamrock as the focal point of their national teams crest. Personally I am very fond of and love to see that Shamrock on the jersey's of our sporting teams and individuals and see no reason for that to change.
BonnieSituation wrote: » They really don't though. Look at the crest for the international rules team. Hardly.
eire4 wrote: » Ahh just seeing that addition and I would put forward the following flags having more than 3 colours and some also having symbols on their national flags: South Africa, Turkmenistan, St Pierre and Miquelon, Central African Republic, Dominica, Zimbabwe, Seychelles, Comoros, Namibia, Grenada, Antigua and Barbuda, Mauritius, Mozambique, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Sao Tome and Principe, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Uganda, Vanuatu, Zambia etc.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » In Ireland we have the orange stripe and in Britain they have the St Patrick's cross which at least attempt to represent different traditions. Does the NZ flag reference the Maori people at all, or is just throwback to colonial Britain?
BonnieSituation wrote: » So you want the Leinster flag as the National flag? Even as a Leinster-man I'd prefer the Presidential Standard over it.
So as a personal hierarchy: 1. Tricolour 2. Four Provinces 3. St Patrick's Saltire 4. Presidential Standard
