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If Work From Home becomes a thing...

bilbot79

I'd be tempted to buy a little apartment in the Canaries and spend my winters there, in fact I'd probably

1/ Sell my Dublin gaff

2/ By a cheaper Irish gaff in the countryside

3/ Buy a place in the Canaries

4/ Buy another place somewhere in Europe, Hvar or somewhere like that

And just spend weeks and months in each place.

How would the rest of you exploit work from home if you had it permanently?

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jrosen

snowgal wrote: »

Yea I dont know really. I think a few weeks/month back people really thought wfh would take off, me included. But I think as soon as you start phasing back in to the office, the more your there the more it just becomes the norm again. Happened where I work. We went back 3 weeks ago, everybody was on wfh, in office, day in day out scenario. Next week we're all in there for 90% of the time.....Boss is saying there are no cases in a long time now in our county and we all live within the county so no real reason to be at home.......

I think employers are being short signed. If there is a chance to even accommodate a 60/40 split from home it can have huge advantages. Smaller work space required, better work life balance for staff which is always a positive. They could attract new staff down the line who are looking for a better work life balance.

But I also think employees naively assumed they could all stay at home full time going forward which was never going to happen.

I hope people can negotiate.

snowgal

jrosen wrote: »

Know a few in finance who are working towards a July return. What seems common from the people ive spoken too is the initial reopening will be on an invite basis. Surveys are being done to see how many want a full return, 50/50 etc.
It will be phased.
I know someone gone back full time this week to the office.

Yea I dont know really. I think a few weeks/month back people really thought wfh would take off, me included. But I think as soon as you start phasing back in to the office, the more your there the more it just becomes the norm again. Happened where I work. We went back 3 weeks ago, everybody was on wfh, in office, day in day out scenario. Next week we're all in there for 90% of the time.....Boss is saying there are no cases in a long time now in our county and we all live within the county so no real reason to be at home.......

mairtmairt

Yes it will be up to each comapany we recently did that survey. Hoping to avoid having to go back to hunting for a room in Dublin as long as possible. Im also hoping there will be an increase in places available which may bring down the cost of renting however does not seem to have happened as of yet

jrosen

mairtmairt wrote: »

I work in finance sector was always office orientated in Dublin got sorted to with laptop to work from home. Any idea how long it will last? Im hoping the longer the better as moved out of my rented accom in Dublin. I do believe any return will be phased ie 20% etc.

Know a few in finance who are working towards a July return. What seems common from the people ive spoken too is the initial reopening will be on an invite basis. Surveys are being done to see how many want a full return, 50/50 etc.
It will be phased.
I know someone gone back full time this week to the office.

mairtmairt

I work in finance sector was always office orientated in Dublin got sorted to with laptop to work from home. Any idea how long it will last? Im hoping the longer the better as moved out of my rented accom in Dublin. I do believe any return will be phased ie 20% etc.

jrosen

I believe it will vary from company to company and even within sectors of each company. Ultimately it will come down to each individual what they can negotiate.

PhilOssophy

Augeo wrote: »

Why would he bother?
Two houses, two sets of bills so he can rock into his apartment/office while working from home?
Seems looney really.

There's plenty very cheap properties in rural Ireland of course.

That's why!! He probably pay little or nothing in property tax / bills in house in local town. Especially when compared to anywhere on the commuter belt.

[Deleted User]

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I don't know if things are going to be that radically different. Most workplaces are working on "Return to office" at the moment. It won't be 5 days for a while but I think that is where a lot of companies want to get to.
It depends on how innovative/modern the employer is and their attitude. Some employers just won't trust anybody who is not sitting at their desk. Others don't care once the work is done. The middle is probably an alright place to be.
Funny, I heard somebody who is from a very rural part, suggesting that he could move back there, buy a trophy house and an apartment or 2-bed house in his local town just to work and have as an office - they are so cheap and the broadband is good! Will be watching how he gets on!

I'd say that will eventually be the case, depending on the type of profession.

But it may be that less people move to the cities in the first place rather than large scale movement out of the cities.

[Deleted User]

PhilOssophy wrote: »

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Funny, I heard somebody who is from a very rural part, suggesting that he could move back there, buy a trophy house and an apartment or 2-bed house in his local town just to work and have as an office - they are so cheap and the broadband is good! Will be watching how he gets on!

Why would he bother?
Two houses, two sets of bills so he can rock into his apartment/office while working from home?
Seems looney really.

There's plenty very cheap properties in rural Ireland of course.

PhilOssophy

I don't know if things are going to be that radically different. Most workplaces are working on "Return to office" at the moment. It won't be 5 days for a while but I think that is where a lot of companies want to get to.
It depends on how innovative/modern the employer is and their attitude. Some employers just won't trust anybody who is not sitting at their desk. Others don't care once the work is done. The middle is probably an alright place to be.
Funny, I heard somebody who is from a very rural part, suggesting that he could move back there, buy a trophy house and an apartment or 2-bed house in his local town just to work and have as an office - they are so cheap and the broadband is good! Will be watching how he gets on!

adocholiday

I'm not sure that remote work is going to be embraced by that many companies after things go back to normal. I was in the job market very recently and I specified to each recruiter I've spoken to (applied for about 20 positions across companies of various sizes) that WFH at least 2 days per week was an absolute must and the vast majority said that the employer intended to go back to 100% office time.

Now I work in the business side of the IT sector so I expect for technical roles that will be different but I think the majority of the workforce will end up back where we were pre-Covid.

[Deleted User]

limnam wrote: »

Does this happen a lot?

limnam

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Could be interesting if you unexpectedly don't show for work one day and aren't answering your phone, so they ask the guards to do a welfare check.

Does this happen a lot?

[Deleted User]

JimmyVik wrote: »

I know people who moved down the country to work from home when thier company agreed to it.
Now they are stuck with the same company. Dont get decent pay rises or bonuses. When they bring it up they are told to leave if they want.
But now that they have moved to the country there are no jobs around them, at least paying anywhere near the same.
So once they quit they will be taking a pay cut if they can get a job where they live now.
Company knows this and plays along by slowly eroding their salary and bonus.

But it works another way too.

I live and work in rural Ireland in IT.

The company I work for are a huge employer locally.

Now as an IT professional I'm getting paid a lot less than I would be if I was working for a company based in the big cities.

The company I work for know that I am tied to the area because I have chosen to settle in this area, and know that they can pay me below what I would be getting elsewhere because I can't just up and leave.

But then COVID19 happened, and remote working starts to become more prevalent.
So now as an IT professional I can reach further when it comes to employers.

Just this week I talked to an agency about a job that would require 1 day a month in Dublin, the rest remote.

So my present company have to think about how to retain good experienced IT people who now have a greater jobs market on their doorstep.

[Deleted User]

lickalot wrote: »

Or Ireland.

Or the UK. Or anywhere actually

Mrs OBumble

Jaziel Unkempt Photographer wrote: »

Declaring an address you have access to is all that’s needed, doesn’t actually have to be where you live.

I’ve never changed my address for anything including revenue from my home address despite living on the other side of the country at various different address for quite a few years at one stage (though b back again now). My siblings are the same all official letter go to home, and none of them have lived at home for years.

Well I guess that means you don't have an issue with providing proof of address.

Could be interesting if you unexpectedly don't show for work one day and aren't answering your phone, so they ask the guards to do a welfare check.

lickalot

Electric Sheep wrote: »

Definitely not the norm in the US.

Or Ireland.

[Deleted User]

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Declaring your residential address is already a Revenue requirement.

Declaring an address you have access to is all that’s needed, doesn’t actually have to be where you live.

I’ve never changed my address for anything including revenue from my home address despite living on the other side of the country at various different address for quite a few years at one stage (though b back again now). My siblings are the same all official letter go to home, and none of them have lived at home for years.

Electric Sheep

Blanco100 wrote: »

Would your address not be a standard inclusion in your CV?

Definitely not the norm in the US.

Jim Root

We’ve had a few staff move down the country already to try and force the issue...don’t wanna pay Dublin rents anymore...going to be some showdown when they are instructed to come back.

Mrs OBumble

ILikeBoats wrote: »

Yeah, you'll need to declare where you are living and wages will be paid accordingly

Declaring your residential address is already a Revenue requirement.

Dial Hard

JimmyVik wrote: »

Pretty sure a CV without an address would be thrown in the bin in my place.
If you were found to have lied about anything at all on your CV you can probably be fired.

I haven't had my address on my CV in about ten years.

Lumen

JimmyVik wrote: »

You make it sound so easy

Actually, whatever about seeking a job, it's quite hard to hire remotely.

My company uses Indeed, and you have to specify a town/city for the job ad, so we end up semi-randomly picking a couple of cities near where we have people at the moment.

It's really stupid.

JimmyVik

Blanco100 wrote: »

Would your address not be a standard inclusion in your CV?

Pretty sure a CV without an address would be thrown in the bin in my place.
If you were found to have lied about anything at all on your CV you can probably be fired.

Blanco100

The Spider wrote: »

Saw that in the states, but you could make the argument, that moving from san francisco to texas would be like moving from Ireland to Spain.

All of these things come down to availability of talent, so for instance f theres a shrtage of full stack developers or UX designers then the salaries will go up to tempt the existing ones to move.

Although I have no doubt some companies will try the paying less for location, but I do seem to remember having it drummed into me by HR before I interviewed people, that a company cant ask where you live in an interview as that may make them biased towards who they hire, and could potentially be sued, not sure how that would work with Covid though.

Would your address not be a standard inclusion in your CV?

Blanco100

Deleted User wrote: »

that might be right if you work for an Irish company. Not so much for an MNC. Mine, with a presence in 30 odd countries, isn't going to split Ireland further down into regions for the purposes of their weightings. It's not worth the effort

Heres hoping!

But i'd argue the larger companies are the ones who may be able to properly means test this.

Its probably another 5 years away in Ireland though.

JimmyVik

Lumen wrote: »

Just get another remote job?

You make it sound so easy

[Deleted User]

Blanco100 wrote: »

Eventually wages will reflect where you live, even if working for same organisation. Already happening in US, facebook are paying same workers different wage for same job. If you live in a high cost location you will be paid rate reflective of high cost.

If you live in cheaper area, it will be reflective of that rate.

Not saying its right, but just saying this is a practice that is already in place.

that might be right if you work for an Irish company. Not so much for an MNC. Mine, with a presence in 30 odd countries, isn't going to split Ireland further down into regions for the purposes of their weightings. It's not worth the effort

Blanco100

JimmyVik wrote: »

I know people who moved down the country to work from home when thier company agreed to it.
Now they are stuck with the same company. Dont get decent pay rises or bonuses. When they bring it up they are told to leave if they want.
But now that they have moved to the country there are no jobs around them, at least paying anywhere near the same.
So once they quit they will be taking a pay cut if they can get a job where they live now.
Company knows this and plays along by slowly eroding their salary and bonus.

People need to start asking questions as to how much they need in fairness. Earning Dublin money in Leitrim should be incentive enough.

Bonuses should be agreed in advance pending certain targets are met sure, but I wouldn't be expecting the pay rise. The wages are higher in Dublin because many factors are taken into account.

The Spider

Blanco100 wrote: »

Eventually wages will reflect where you live, even if working for same organisation. Already happening in US, facebook are paying same workers different wage for same job. If you live in a high cost location you will be paid rate reflective of high cost.

If you live in cheaper area, it will be reflective of that rate.

Not saying its right, but just saying this is a practice that is already in place.

Saw that in the states, but you could make the argument, that moving from san francisco to texas would be like moving from Ireland to Spain.

All of these things come down to availability of talent, so for instance f theres a shrtage of full stack developers or UX designers then the salaries will go up to tempt the existing ones to move.

Although I have no doubt some companies will try the paying less for location, but I do seem to remember having it drummed into me by HR before I interviewed people, that a company cant ask where you live in an interview as that may make them biased towards who they hire, and could potentially be sued, not sure how that would work with Covid though.