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Random EV thoughts.....

Old diesel

The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

A Leaf 62 not so good.

Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

*IF chargers are available

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ELM327

McGiver wrote: »

Is this actually real? The range is better than Leaf (of course much lower speed so)

Yup
Big oil has kept EVs down since they won the first battle of the fuels.

Imagine where we'd be now if they hadnt

unkel

McGiver wrote: »

Is this actually real? The range is better than Leaf (of course much lower speed so)

Even a Leaf could do 80 miles on a charge at 27mph...

...100 years later

Casati

McGiver wrote: »

Is this actually real? The range is better than Leaf (of course much lower speed so)

It’s real, they actually got over 200 mile range in a test out of them

McGiver

Deleted User wrote:

A blast from the past!

Is this actually real? The range is better than Leaf

(of course much lower speed so)

[Deleted User]

A blast from the past!

Water John

Ah, go via Macroom, we're nice. They say, Macroom never reared a fool.
Public charger getting very little use ATM.

slave1

..and if it's a 32amp blue pin then it could be a 7.4kW charge, you and I should both have that adapter in our frunks

Cyrus

looks like the etron has that adapter already which is nice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAB9_P30AcU

slave1

unkel wrote: »

3kW instead of 2kW

Will still take the guts of 24h to charge up a car with a big battery

Well 3.7kW so relative to 2.3kW off a 3pin, that's 60% faster so for a hotel overnight that's a welcome free boost.
Every little counts!!!

unkel

3kW instead of 2kW

Will still take the guts of 24h to charge up a car with a big battery

slave1

Silent Running wrote: »

Confirm the plug type with them. Some places provide the blue 16a socket, you would need an adaptor to use the granny charger on this.

Good point, some hotels with golf courses will have these (for charging golf carts) and if so you'll be able to get a much higher charger than off a 3pin

Silent Running

Cyrus wrote: »

hotel just replied

We do not have a dedicated charging system, however, we do have an area where an electric car can plug in and charge. If you ask at reception a member of the team can show you where it is located

so i presume there is an outdoor 3 pin plug which is grand i could leave the car at that for 24 hours and get enough to get me back to cashel im sure.

Confirm the plug type with them. Some places provide the blue 16a socket, you would need an adaptor to use the granny charger on this.

innrain

kanuseeme wrote: »

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202006120070081?radius=1500&postcode=cv92pz&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=AUDI&sort=price-asc&page=1

Try that one, the units are fine but its the amount of them, 2.3 mW

BRAND NEW - IN STOCK

Audi E-Tron
AUDI e-tron Technik 50 quattro 230,00 kW 5dr

RRP £56,668

Price£52,749

I think this refers to the motor output. 230kW which is about 310 bhp. EU introduced a new rule few years back that all car advertising should label power output in kW.
The Opel advert is on opel.ie build and price and a total mess. The reference to 7.4 kW is for AC charging and is pointless as both trims have the same charging speed. On the same line they can say it has 4 wheels.

The 50kW is completely wrong as it refers to battery capacity which is 50kWh. I know it sound pedantic but this is a major business not a corner shop.

This is after the fact that the price displayed during build is >37k with no reference to the grants. If you dig you find the price list with is 27.3k. Do they actually want to sell?

Black_Knight

Cyrus wrote: »

hotel just replied

We do not have a dedicated charging system, however, we do have an area where an electric car can plug in and charge. If you ask at reception a member of the team can show you where it is located

so i presume there is an outdoor 3 pin plug which is grand i could leave the car at that for 24 hours and get enough to get me back to cashel im sure.

Result!

If they do, take a pic when you're setup and update plugshare to say a 3 pin socket is available on request.

Cyrus

hotel just replied

We do not have a dedicated charging system, however, we do have an area where an electric car can plug in and charge. If you ask at reception a member of the team can show you where it is located

so i presume there is an outdoor 3 pin plug which is grand i could leave the car at that for 24 hours and get enough to get me back to cashel im sure.

Black_Knight

Cyrus wrote: »

yeah looks to be a 50kw charger in randles garage maybe we will take a trip into killarney one of the days and charge off that.

Kenmare fast charger upgrade would be nice:

Kerry's a scary place for electric cars.

innrain

Cyrus wrote: »

yeah looks to be a 50kw charger in randles garage maybe we will take a trip into killarney one of the days and charge off that.

I would route myself through Killarney on the way there. I mean you go on holidays with a new car. Driving through the National Park is the best drive test you can get. That's opposed to driving on secondary roads. Probably slower by 15 mins

kanuseeme

innrain wrote: »

for those who like units Opel did it again.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202006120070081?radius=1500&postcode=cv92pz&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=AUDI&sort=price-asc&page=1

Try that one, the units are fine but its the amount of them, 2.3 mW

BRAND NEW - IN STOCK

Audi E-Tron
AUDI e-tron Technik 50 quattro 230,00 kW 5dr

RRP £56,668

Price£52,749

Cyrus

Black_Knight wrote: »

Google satellite view kinda suggests not

yes i thought the same but i havent been.

Cyrus

unkel wrote: »

Well wear Cyrus! You're buying new? They're pretty good value for money last time I looked. And fast charge like nothing else in the business

Can you park beside your woodland lodge, or a good bit away? If beside the lodge, just use the granny charger as soon as you get there, and let it charge all night overnight. Probably same again the next night.

yep new this time, looking forward to it, the 50 is reasonable value for money compared to the 55, the i pace, model x and the eqc and i wanted a SUV size car.

ill call the hotel and see, i think the parking arrangement is more communal and you walk to the lodge (not far but you arent in the driveway)

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

Can you park beside your woodland lodge, or a good bit away? If beside the lodge, just use the granny charger as soon as you get there, and let it charge all night overnight. Probably same again the next night.

Google satellite view kinda suggests not

Cyrus

Black_Knight wrote: »

I'd agree with the previous comment. Charge a bit longer at the rapid charger so you've enough to get you from parknasilla to the closest rapid charger on your return leg.

Certainly ring the hotel and ask. If they have nothing, at least they'll be the little bit more aware that EVs require destination chargers.

Have you used https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ to guide your charging for your trip? It's a lot more accurate than just relying on the manufacturers stated range or the GOM (guess-o-meter for remaining range available).

im using ABRP alright, its suggesting a charge to 80% at cashel one would assume in the interests of time as charging speed will decrease from that point on wards. not sure how much driving we will do down there, so it may not be a case of parking up and returning. if we do travel around a bit i can use the 22kw or go into killarney for 50kw i guess.

unkel

Well wear Cyrus! You're buying new? They're pretty good value for money last time I looked. And fast charge like nothing else in the business

Cyrus wrote: »

It doesnt look like parknasilla has any charging facilities on site, we are staying in one of the woodland lodges.

Can you park beside your woodland lodge, or a good bit away? If beside the lodge, just use the granny charger as soon as you get there, and let it charge all night overnight. Probably same again the next night.

JPA

I would add another stop eg Macroom.
If you arrive with only 10% and granny charging you will be stuck.

Black_Knight

Cyrus wrote: »

hi all couldnt think of anywhere else to ask an inane qn like this so hopefully its ok here, ill be joining the brigade in early July, Audi etron 50.

We are going to parknasilla in kerry in late august, route looks to be stop in cashel half way for a 20 min charge or so and then continue to Kerry. When i get there ill probably be at 10% or so.

It doesnt look like parknasilla has any charging facilities on site, we are staying in one of the woodland lodges.

So i was looking at options.

There is 22kw AC charging in sneem, but id probably need 3 hours at that.

What would folks normally do? try and get the required top up in sneem over the week i am there (im sure ill be in and out a bit) or try 3 pinning it from the house (i dont think the parking is directly outside so id probably need to bring an extension cable!!)

probably a very stupid qn!

I'd agree with the previous comment. Charge a bit longer at the rapid charger so you've enough to get you from parknasilla to the closest rapid charger on your return leg.

Certainly ring the hotel and ask. If they have nothing, at least they'll be the little bit more aware that EVs require destination chargers.

Have you used https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ to guide your charging for your trip? It's a lot more accurate than just relying on the manufacturers stated range or the GOM (guess-o-meter for remaining range available).

Cyrus

innrain wrote: »

I would stop in Killarney for another 20 - 30 mins

yeah looks to be a 50kw charger in randles garage maybe we will take a trip into killarney one of the days and charge off that.

innrain

I would stop in Killarney for another 20 - 30 mins

Busman Paddy Lasty

Cyrus wrote: »

hi all couldnt think of anywhere else to ask an inane qn like this so hopefully its ok here, ill be joining the brigade in early July, Audi etron 50.

We are going to parknasilla in kerry in late august, route looks to be stop in cashel half way for a 20 min charge or so and then continue to Kerry. When i get there ill probably be at 10% or so.

It doesnt look like parknasilla has any charging facilities on site, we are staying in one of the woodland lodges.

So i was looking at options.

There is 22kw AC charging in sneem, but id probably need 3 hours at that.

What would folks normally do? try and get the required top up in sneem over the week i am there (im sure ill be in and out a bit) or try 3 pinning it from the house (i dont think the parking is directly outside so id probably need to bring an extension cable!!)

probably a very stupid qn!

I'd charge longer in Cashel if possible. On trip to Waterford from Dublin in January I was losing 10km from GOM for every 6km travelled due to strong headwind.

Call the hotel as well they'll be only too happy to accommodate 3 pin charging.

Cyrus

hi all couldnt think of anywhere else to ask an inane qn like this so hopefully its ok here, ill be joining the brigade in early July, Audi etron 50.

We are going to parknasilla in kerry in late august, route looks to be stop in cashel half way for a 20 min charge or so and then continue to Kerry. When i get there ill probably be at 10% or so.

It doesnt look like parknasilla has any charging facilities on site, we are staying in one of the woodland lodges.

So i was looking at options.

There is 22kw AC charging in sneem, but id probably need 3 hours at that.

What would folks normally do? try and get the required top up in sneem over the week i am there (im sure ill be in and out a bit) or try 3 pinning it from the house (i dont think the parking is directly outside so id probably need to bring an extension cable!!)

probably a very stupid qn!

innrain

for those who like units Opel did it again.