Wibbs wrote: » Who were almost always invaders. That part seems to be glossed over. The very language we're typing this in is because of invasion and colonisation. Now it's a positive today, but ask many generations of Irish how positive it was in the past. When cultures mix there is nearly always conflict. Look around at the flashpoints today. America has been multicultural by the very nature of it as a country and yet... Brazil is a melting pot, but who are clustered at the top and who are clustered at the bottom. Two thirds of the inhabitants of favelas are Black or mixed. And both of them are founded on invasion and colonisation. Name an example. If it works so exquisitely it should be a doddle to name a long list of them throughout history. The problem is that in damned near every single conflict in history it was between cultures and ethnic groups. Them V Us is writ large in our history and it seems in our very nature.
2u2me wrote: » But my point was more that this needs to be willing. There must be a demand for people in your country; it can't just be to prop up the failing pension system. It must be numbers that are manageable by the country.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The utopian vision of multiculturalism hasn't been obtained anywhere in the world. Maybe Ireland will be different?
FVP3 wrote: » WTF is the dwarf apologising for something which is Australian history? We didn't run that state. At this stage we've probably apologised more than the Spanish and Portuguese.
RyanthePirate wrote: » I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus. Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county. Agree/Disagree?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » The saddest part of it is when the low paid Irish people and low paid immigrants turn on each other. Instead of the low paid standing together and trying to improve their collective lot, they fight against each other. See BLM vs monuments protectors, [...] It's so often the way these things work where the poor divide themselves rather then working together. Needless to say, it suits the other classes of people to have a weak and divided working class - cheap labour.
Let's make a clear statement here today; Ireland belongs to all of us. Not just those of us who were born here. but those people who come here, who work here, and contribute to our society.
Tell me how wrote: » Multiculturalism does work imo. The world is very different now than what it was in the past, common media (music/TV markets), the prevalence of social media, student exchange programs, access to low cost travel etc means there is more awareness of what other cultures are like, and more possibility to experience them. Trying to maintain a 'pure' society (by either side) is regressive in my view. Some argue that conflict arises when cultures mix, that is true, to a degree, but there was always conflict which often escalated to outright warfare when those countries felt no association with each other. Arguing that the whole idea of it doesn't work because of isolated instances of conflict (which may only have people of different cultures involved as opposed to this being the root cause) is like complaining about cars because of the numbers of deaths and injuries associated with them. I'm also curious about how the defenders of a countries own 'culture', at least those who publicly call for it, often seem to be of the likes we saw in London at the weekend. A cross between a 4 day stag party and a day release program. Or our own public examples who were in the High Court recently. Is that the type of personality we are so concerned about being eroded?
tayto lover wrote: » Ask the people of Balbriggan how it’s working for them.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » I also would echo a call for a referendum on multiculturalism. I sense a huge disconnect between politicians and the public on this. A disconnect that is getting wider by the week A referendum Would give the politicians guidance on the direction this country wants to go
Bambi wrote: » Seems to have worked out fairly well in London and Paris anyway. Socially cohesive, well integrated capitals. Apparently theres even a commison to decide what artifacts from the previous inhabitants culture will be allowed to remain standing
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » Eoin O'Broin confidently stating that anker babies should be given give birthright citizenship and that we should remove the 27th Amendment as it is racist. This is simply wrong. Over 80% of the Irish Republic voted against this in '03. This shows utter contempt for democracy.https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1273300365530869763 Yeah, legal immigrants that will show to have a positive contribution to the Irish economy and integrate into the social structure of our country. Not financial drains.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I lived in a mostly black area in London and it was grand. Easy to buy drugs mind.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » I visit there regularly as a mate bought there years ago. It isn't controlled by black gangs like you all fantasise about. It's grand, him and his friends like living there. The village actually has potential if they develop it properly.
Risingshadoo wrote: » Immigration is always a bad thing. Just look at America.
kildare lad wrote: » We're seeing the fruits of the anchor babies now who're running wild in certain parts of Ireland , come here and the more kids you have the money we'll pay you . You had people getting here ready to pop ,straight down the social to get the house , medical card , children's allowance etc. That system was used and abused by some of the laziest people on planet who have been nothing but a drain on the tax payer since getting here .
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » Eoin O'Broin confidently stating that anker babies should be given give birthright citizenship and that we should remove the 27th Amendment as it is racist. This is simply wrong. Over 80% of the Irish Republic voted against this in '03. This shows utter contempt for democracy.https://twitter.com/EOBroin/status/1273300365530869763
2u2me wrote: » I think you're arguing with a shadow here. The bits you've omiitted from my quote I believe were most relevant.
One example: America. People who went to the US willingly from all parts of the world, all of their cultures combined we now called America; they created the richest, most free society ever seen in history. The only invaders were the original colonists, but even at that the native American indians regularly invaded each other aswell. Many dishes, words, foods, sports, etc.. all had origins in other cultures that we now call 'american'. It wasn't through domination, it was through collaboration.
That should not be confusd with integrating people successfully into one's country which has been happening throughout the history of our species.
biko wrote: » John Cleese have said that London was no longer an English city, saying "virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation". Mayor "Part and parcel" Khan objected saying "diversity is our strength". London has gone from a less than a third minorities to almost half in 20 years. This is probably what Cleese was referring to. If it happened in London it may just happen in Dublin. There is plenty of political will for things to go this way.
Stateofyou wrote: » "Anchor babies" running wild :pac: "some of the laziest people on the planet" This is biased and prejudiced language.
