Deleted User wrote: » Sorry, I never actually stated it in my earlier post, but I don't agree that no CPO's will be required. In fact it won't be possible without some CPO's but there will be a lot less this time around due to the change in approach which, to be honest, should have been the approach all along.
Deleted User wrote: » The one big benefit out of that debacle which was the first run at the Galway-Dublin greenway was it gave us the Greenway Strategy which sets down how things should be done in future to avoid issues like this in the future. So mistakes made, sure, but learned from, thankfull.
Deleted User wrote: » As for what Cannon said, meh, politicians say a lot of things, heck some even said they'd build a line as far as Sligo, how's that looking?
ezstreet5 wrote: » It's the only greenway in East Galway that is a live project in actuality. When you look at projects that require CPOs, such as the M17/M18 motorways, those CPOs are still resolving even after the project is completed. OF COURSE the majority of landowners will not consent. That does not doom the project, but rather, justify the CPO process for worthwhile projects, which apparently, Deputy Cannon does not feel includes an Athlone to Galway Greenway,
Deleted User wrote: » It was dead in the water long before anyone spoke about CPO's, see attached.
Greaney wrote: » As I look at all these articles, I see a lot of contradictions here... I wonder, if as much energy had been put into the Athlone to Galway section of the EuroVelo, would we be well into the route planning stage now?? A lost opportunity.... or is it?
After a five-year pause, the largest section of the Galway to Dublin Cycleway is being developed with a fresh new start. New consultants have been appointed to start with a blank canvas in developing a route for the Galway to Athlone section of the circa 270km cycleway, that will link Galway and Dublin. A dedicated Project Office is being established in Ballinasloe and the consultants and Landowner Liaison Officers from Galway, Roscommon and Westmeath County Councils will be available to meet landowners and the public at the Project Office, when the COVID restrictions are lifted A project telephone number, email address and website will also be established over the coming weeks and these will be publicised.RPS Consultants from Galway have been appointed to undertake all of the environmental assessments required and design a route for the project. Their first task will be to assess and determine the lands within the study area that are already in state ownership, including those owned by Government Agencies, Government Departments and Local Authorities. This will be followed by a constraints study of the study area, including public consultation, to identify physical, legal, archaeological and environmental constraints that have potential to impact the design and location of the Cycleway. In addition to the technical assessments, there will be a number of focused periods of public consultation, during 2020 and 2021. The design will take cognisance of the 5 ‘S’ criteria set out by the Government of Ireland for developing Greenways, i.e. the route should be Scenic; Sustainable; Strategic; with lots to See and Do; and Substantially Segregated with Shared use.
ezstreet5 wrote: » Your tinfoil ball made it into the bin (okay, on the second shot). Seriously bro, I don't understand your affinity for this shytehook politician. It was not the 'ham fisted approach of Galway Co-Co' that delayed our greenway by five years, but the solo-run of Cannon promising 'No CPOs' to farmers. That is why you will NEVER hear Ciarán support the Athlone to Galway segment. Politically, he can't, because of a line he drew in the sand (without party support) before greenways were sexy. And...if you live in Athenry, and believe the Athlone-Galway greenway should not pass through Athenry, let's see if there's some Reynolds Wrap left.
ezstreet5 wrote: » My point here is that Deputy Ciarán Cannon is not really a "Greenway Champion," but rather a champion of himself. He is very subtle. So whether you support a greenway or a railway (or both), beware of his carefully crafted lip service.
ezstreet5 wrote: » And applying similar logic, if (when) the Galway-to-Dublin Greenway is built, it would strengthen the case for a connecting greenway on the WRC north from Athenry. And it just happens that the Galway-to-Dublin Greenway is one of four named greenway projects in the Programme for Government now being deliberated. One would think that a true "greenway champion" politician representing East Galway, and one that likely will be part of a grand coalition, would be doing cartwheels over this "pleased-to-see" gift. But no. Crickets on the Galway-to-Dublin Greenway because we cannot upset our IFA friends. Instead, we get a frantic (and disingenuous) reading-in to the Programme as providing "fresh hope" for a bicycle trail on the WRC. Most of us here (of all opinions) have read the Programme, and would probably agree that it is quite neutral regarding the WRC "rail versus trail" question. My opinion would be that the Programme slightly endorses rail reactivation, but is by no means conclusive. My point here is that Deputy Ciarán Cannon is not really a "Greenway Champion," but rather a champion of himself. He is very subtle. So whether you support a greenway or a railway (or both), beware of his carefully crafted lip service. (And I cannot accept a tinfoil hat from DaCor until s/he reads this twice).https://connachttribune.ie/programme-for-government-brings-hope-for-east-galway-greenway-says-cannon/
After a five-year pause, the largest section of the Galway to Dublin Cycleway is being developed with a fresh new start. New consultants have been appointed to start with a blank canvas in developing a route for the Galway to Athlone section of the circa 270km cycleway, that will link Galway and Dublin. A dedicated Project Office is being established in Ballinasloe and the consultants and Landowner Liaison Officers from Galway, Roscommon and Westmeath County Councils will be available to meet landowners and the public at the Project Office, when the COVID restrictions are lifted A project telephone number, email address and website will also be established over the coming weeks and these will be publicised. RPS Consultants from Galway have been appointed to undertake all of the environmental assessments required and design a route for the project. Their first task will be to assess and determine the lands within the study area that are already in state ownership, including those owned by Government Agencies, Government Departments and Local Authorities. This will be followed by a constraints study of the study area, including public consultation, to identify physical, legal, archaeological and environmental constraints that have potential to impact the design and location of the Cycleway. In addition to the technical assessments, there will be a number of focused periods of public consultation, during 2020 and 2021. The design will take cognisance of the 5 ‘S’ criteria set out by the Government of Ireland for developing Greenways, i.e. the route should be Scenic; Sustainable; Strategic; with lots to See and Do; and Substantially Segregated with Shared use.
Sam Russell wrote: » Well, if the WRC is ever built as a railway, it would strengthen the case for Athenry Galway line to be double tracked. Therefore double tracking, passing loops and dynamic loops all become relevant. Dumping passengers from Tuam or Ennis at Athenry waiting for the delayed train to arrive because of the late arrival of the other train is not going to help the passengers.
Isambard wrote: » simply written by someone with little rail knowledge.
ezstreet5 wrote: » Strange reference in the article (and others I've read) of double tracking Athenry to Galway AND building a passing loop and second platform at Oranmore.
Deleted User wrote: » Is that not already happening?https://www.tuamherald.ie/news/roundup/articles/2020/01/22/4184680-double-track-for-athenrygalway-route-in-the-pipeline/ Though to be honest, the whole of the Galway Dublin needs to be done. Its farcical sometimes on that train, stopping for 10-15 mins while waiting for another train to pass
Deleted User wrote: » My bad, thought this was the WRC/WRT thread.....
Sam Russell wrote: » How much of the Tuam Athenry alignment was originally dual track, or built for dual track (bridges, embankments, stations)? I accept that if it is rebuilt, it will not be dual track. Galway Athenry would make dense to dual track, and a few dynamic loops put in on the way to Dublin.
Isambard wrote: » we're talking about doing this on the Galway to Dublin intercity line aren't we? Maybe I'm wrong.
L1011 wrote: » It's cheap compared to having to buy land and widen the right of way (embankments, bridges etc)
Deleted User wrote: » Sounds nice but we can't even manage this on the major intercity routes, what are the chance of it happening on a route serving small regional towns and villages
Deleted User wrote: » That makes sense, that what I thought dynamic loops meant, so got a bit confused when another poster said it could be cheaply implemented. Laying track isn't cheap!
91wx763 wrote: » It's more less where a single line turns into double track for a distance so two train can cross without either stopping completely. The "loop" would have to be very long and I would assume there would be a signal half way along to doubly protect the exit.
Isambard wrote: » it's re-doubling a section of line between two stations or signals, say, 2 to 5 miles (preferably more) where two trains can pass each other without either stopping
Sam Russell wrote: » What is a dynamic loop? I understand a passing loop, as at a station, say.
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