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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

RyanthePirate

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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Richard Hillman

kildare lad wrote: »

You're missing out on a very large continent there lad

Oh.... I did, didn't I.

Thelonious Monk

kildare lad wrote: »

Good to see the sudanese integrating in Australia aswell

https://www.sausageroll.com.au/news/australian-teen-girl-brutally-beaten-by-black-lives-activists-in-melbourne-cbd/

Good to see the white man integrating down there too, the way they treated the aboriginals - including us Irish, our president even apologised.
My point is people are mostly the same everywhere, some good some bad.

kildare lad

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Big fan of immigration. EU/EEA immigration, Most Eastern European immigration, South/Central American immigration, Far East Asian immigration, Some Indian immigration, immigration from AUS/NZ, USA-Canada. That is all.

You're missing out on a very large continent there lad

Richard Hillman

Big fan of immigration. EU/EEA immigration, Most Eastern European immigration, South/Central American immigration, Far East Asian immigration, Some Indian immigration, immigration from AUS/NZ, USA-Canada. That is all.

kildare lad

Good to see the sudanese integrating in Australia aswell

https://www.sausageroll.com.au/news/australian-teen-girl-brutally-beaten-by-black-lives-activists-in-melbourne-cbd/

Lefty Bicek

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

People bang on about multiculturalism failing in other countries because of a few things they see in the news or websites, when in reality multiculturalism works very well in the UK and France etc for the most part.

What I've seen in the news, and on websites is political leaders of the UK and Germany - Cameron and Merkel - declare very clearly that multicuilturalism is a failed project, and needs to be superseded.

Some of us 'bang on' about it because we have personal experience of decades of living in these multi-kulti paradises.

They are a disaster.

OF course, despite this being done times, here, we still have this lazy and uninformed equivalence between 'immigration' and 'multiculturalism'.

They are not the same, and people reveal their non-qualification to speak about these things until they grasp the crucial difference.

Personally I couldn't care less who lives in Ireland, it makes Dublin way more interesting to me anyway to have lots of different people and cultures here. People lamenting losing our own culture, well every generation is different anyway and our Grandparents would have been moaning about things changing too. People are people in my view and I don't care where my neighbour is from as long as they're decent folks.

What you are referencing there is a multi-ethnic Ireland, not a multicultural one.

Do you know the difference ?

Multiculturalism is toxic, poisonous, failed BS. That is the difference.

Thelonious Monk

biko wrote: »

Good, now we're getting somewhere.
Can you elaborate on Germany?
Have the Turks integrated well?

Yeah the Turks have. I used to go out with a girl from Hamburg, there are lovely parts of the city with loads of Turkish restaurants and cafes etc. Same in Berlin and many cities in Germany. The Turks make up about 5% of the German population and add a lot to the country if you ask me.

biko

Possibly India or Uganda?

biko

Good, now we're getting somewhere.
Can you elaborate on Germany?
Have the Turks integrated well?

Thelonious Monk

biko wrote: »

The best way to argue for multiculturalism is by showing examples of countries where it works.

The UK, Canada, Australia, Germany, Ireland...

biko

The best way to argue for multiculturalism is by showing examples of countries where it works.

Thelonious Monk

People bang on about multiculturalism failing in other countries because of a few things they see in the news or websites, when in reality multiculturalism works very well in the UK and France etc for the most part.
Personally I couldn't care less who lives in Ireland, it makes Dublin way more interesting to me anyway to have lots of different people and cultures here. People lamenting losing our own culture, well every generation is different anyway and our Grandparents would have been moaning about things changing too. People are people in my view and I don't care where my neighbour is from as long as they're decent folks.

StringerBell

Immigration and multiculturalism are different things really but I feel both have been and are good, not just for Ireland but the world.

Extremists on either side of the spectrum tend to dominate the market when it comes to discussion unfortunately.

I do also think it must be handled correctly and that unfortunately also some cultures just clash a little too much to mix properly and struggle to find common ground.

ollkiller

Deleted User wrote: »

The key word missing from your post is "legal".

Legal immigration is a good thing for an economy. It is the illegal migrants that are a met drain on resources. I really hate how people deliberately muddle the two in order to fit their agenda.

Well I was commenting on legal immigration. As for illegal immigration take that up with your government.

ollkiller

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Decreases wage levels for poor people through increasing supply of labour, increases salaries for people who profit from cheap labour. Both things can be true.

It specifically relates to low wages. Short term dip, long term increase. The only reason i know it is economics was one of the subjects on my degree course. I'll dig out a link to the theory.

Bobblehats

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Plenty of ye do nothing but think about race, clearly.

Something you seem destined to lose. Considering you can’t overcome the first hurdle..

[Deleted User]

ollkiller wrote: »

I don't know of you're aware but there are multiple
economic articles that confirm that immigration in the short term drives wages down but in the long term increases productivity and wage levels. So if your argument is that immigration decreases wage levels then you're wrong.

The key word missing from your post is "legal".

Legal immigration is a good thing for an economy. It is the illegal migrants that are a met drain on resources. I really hate how people deliberately muddle the two in order to fit their agenda.

El_Duderino 09

ollkiller wrote: »

I don't know of you're aware but there are multiple
economic articles that confirm that immigration in the short term drives wages down but in the long term increases productivity and wage levels. So if your argument is that immigration decreases wage levels then you're wrong.

Decreases wage levels for poor people through increasing supply of labour, increases salaries for people who profit from cheap labour. Both things can be true.

1800_Ladladlad

A lot of new accounts with low post counts around today. It's like they all text each other for emotional support.

El_Duderino 09

Wibbs wrote: »

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Well it depends on a few things too. The US was a colony based on and needing immigrants. Secondly Irish people can "pass" as local far more easily than African, or Asian. Indeed that was one point of bitterness between African and Irish Americans in the 19th century, that the latter had an advantage out of the box over their darker brethren looking for employment.
...

Those are both factors. But they're both factors that impact the perceptions of the host nation. The Windrush generation in the UK might argue that simply being needed for their labour didn't mean they were welcomed. But Irish people's whiteness certainly helps a white host nation to forget to be racist towards them and facilitate them fitting in.

ollkiller

I don't know of you're aware but there are multiple
economic articles that confirm that immigration in the short term drives wages down but in the long term increases productivity and wage levels. So if your argument is that immigration decreases wage levels then you're wrong.

BarnardsLoop

The irony of saying that on a thread full of racist scumbags whinging about how 'white people' are being threatened by the mere existence of non-white people here. Plenty of ye do nothing but think about race, clearly.

biko

I suppose when all you think about is race then every opponent seems racist.

Marcos

biko wrote: »

In the last thread about this issue I said look at UK.
If people are happy with how UK have managed it's immigration then I understand why they want it here too.
Those that see issues with the way UK has handled immigration might be less inclined to accept the same type of immigration.

Perhaps we should just have a referendum so the people can speak its will?
It would help guide the politicians that may not know what the Irish people want.

I think that the powers that be (and certain posters on here) know what the Irish people want* and are running scared of it. That's why they wouldn't have any referendum on it.

*Going by the 27th amendment to the constitution. Looking at the votes by constituency it's striking how much support there was even in communities that would be regarded as ultra liberal and had no bad experiences of multiculturalism. It passed with 79% voting for it, even the lowest vote in favour of the amendment in the country was in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown with 71%.

[Deleted User]

Immigration is grand,likely wont affect me,i live in arsehole of nowhere.... (only serves those who belive in capitalism/need for perpetual econmic growth though).

Multiculturism only works,so long as noone trys rule the roost over anyone else,and everyone lives and let live (easy for me,as im v.private individual,so outside work/family,maybe interact with 5 people a month)

......ireland is full of nosey fcukers though,who cant even abide travellers,so its somewhat doomed to failure

Beechwoodspark

I also would echo a call for a referendum on multiculturalism.

I sense a huge disconnect between politicians and the public on this. A disconnect that is getting wider by the week

A referendum Would give the politicians guidance on the direction this country wants to go

US2

Is there one example in the history of the planet where different cultures have mixed successfully, think about it.

Wibbs

KaneToad wrote: »

I couldn't care less about what food restrictions apply to various faiths. I do have a problem with sexual assaults on children for cultural/religious reasons.

If you don't understand the basics of why, you won't be able to find out how to stop it.

Wibbs

completedit wrote: »

I lived in Prague. Seems a multicultural city that does well. Huge Vietnamese population who seemed integrated. Big Russian population too and I've heard they can stick to themselves but I wasn't able to tell the difference. Then you have huge amounts of random immigrant groups and everyone gels together but it's all through English. You can live there and never utter a word of Czech. If English wasn't so dominant that would probably cause problems but Czechs are happy to adapt

True though the Czechs and the Czech Republic are overwhelmingly made up of White people. The Vietnamese, a demographic that are very much absent in social issues as an ethnic group anywhere in the world, make up under 30,000 people in a population of 10 million. There are far fewer Africans and Middle Easterners in the Czech republic than in Ireland with half her population.

The sad truth is some demographics cause more social issues than others. The darker the skin the more it kicks off and yep it's mostly down to an inherent "them and us" feeling in the native population, which increases same in the Black immigrant population.

o1s1n

nthclare wrote: »

Like a square lemon that doesn't fit into in a hole made for a potato..

Using word's like diatribe makes your comment as sensible as using a sieve to drain a lake..

So I'd try something less inflatable for a response than diatribe...

Bitter sweet and all that jazz

Have you seen how many doctors working in our hospitals aren't Irish?

How many Philipina nurses work in our wards?

How many high paying roles in IT companies are populated with people from all over the globe?

You do realise they're all immigrants too, right?