Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This guy Kinahan has been allowed roam the world when FG and the MOJ know he is guilty of crime. Was an attempt made to extradite him?

Who is giving who a platform again? Who is trying to shut the stable door now the horse has bolted? Who was silent for years while this guy was operating gyms and promoting fights?

Mary Lou is saying the exact same thing as Leo at the minute about the Kinahans far as I can see.

Lots of people are allowed to roam the world when people know they are guilty of a crime. Do you want me to start listing names?

As you regularly point out when defending those thugs, they are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Unfortunately, what you don't do is associate yourself with them. Sinn Fein have a long history of associating themselves with such alleged thugs.

blanch152 wrote: »

Lots of people are allowed to roam the world when people know they are guilty of a crime. Do you want me to start listing names?

As you regularly point out when defending those thugs, they are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Unfortunately, what you don't do is associate yourself with them. Sinn Fein have a long history of associating themselves with such alleged thugs.

Why is Leo now saying Kinahan shouldnt be involved in boxing and sticking his nose in?

He never done this when he organised Michael Conlons fights.

You know why, because it looks good in the media! Alot better him coming out with this than a speech from a movie

blanch152 wrote: »

Lots of people are allowed to roam the world when people know they are guilty of a crime. Do you want me to start listing names?

As you regularly point out when defending those thugs, they are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Unfortunately, what you don't do is associate yourself with them. Sinn Fein have a long history of associating themselves with such alleged thugs.

More of your despicable lies and misrepresenting.

You are by far the most dishonest poster here. Not a word about being proven wrong by 2017 evidence of MLMD calling these people despicable murders.

Pointless asking you to back up where I defended thugs, you will do your usual cowardly misrepresenting stunt.

Mortelaro

maccored wrote: »

they got more votes than most other parties - I know you find that hard to swallow

The issue isn't their votes
The issue is why they couldn't block this potential new government by negotiating an alternative including with the greens, did they even reply to Richard Boyd Barrett after?
Sinn Fein got a significant protest vote
Instead of growing and harnessing that, they've fluttered it away now by allowing the centre and right of centre 5 years to appease it instead and win most of it back whilst making the soft float available for labour and soc dems
I think ye need an inquiry when the dust settles with the objective of plugging what's bound to be I expect a leaky boat, less and less people will want to step on

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But people are different.
Read your posting history, you've been vilifying and scoring FG and posters on here willy nilly, calling them all sorts.
Are you calling FG now a fascist party, or any of its leaders or ministers?

That's not true. I call them out on guff and on occasion stoop to their level when responding and always in context.
I'm saying Blanch's generalised anecdotal comments on SF might be more suited to FG based on actual things said and things done by FG.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Are you saying that FG are a party of fascists? Sometimes the inferences you draw are quite silly.

There is no doubt that current representatives of Sinn Fein have links to terrorism, yet you have no problem with that, but you go off on any tenuous link to some century-old issue with FG.

Very dishonest. Councilor O'Leary isn't historical. Stop codding.
You read my comment and questions. Either respond or don't. This is no more than an effort to dodge and change the narrative.

blanch152 wrote: »

Lots of people are allowed to roam the world when people know they are guilty of a crime. Do you want me to start listing names?

As you regularly point out when defending those thugs, they are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Unfortunately, what you don't do is associate yourself with them. Sinn Fein have a long history of associating themselves with such alleged thugs.

Nobody bothers with you anymore.

Nobody gives a **** what the IRA done in the past (especially here, as nobody gives a **** about the North). They are gone. The PIRA or whatever they are called this weather hate Sinn Fein

Mortelaro wrote: »

The issue isn't their votes
The issue is why they couldn't block this potential new government by negotiating an alternative including with the greens, did they even reply to Richard Boyd Barrett after?
Sinn Fein got a significant protest vote
Instead of growing and harnessing that, they've fluttered it away now by allowing the centre and right of centre 5 years to appease it instead and win most of it back whilst making the soft float available for labour and soc dems
I think ye need an inquiry when the dust settles with the objective of plugging what's bound to be I expect a leaky boat, less and less people will want to step on

I have to say, I admire your confidence that they have any hope of winning 'back' voters.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

More of your despicable lies and misrepresenting.

You are by far the most dishonest poster here. Not a word about being proven wrong by 2017 evidence of MLMD calling these people despicable murders.

Pointless asking you to back up where I defended thugs, you will do your usual cowardly misrepresenting stunt.

Slab Murphy.

blanch152 wrote: »

Slab Murphy.

Where did I 'defend' Slab Murphy?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have to say, I admire your confidence that they have any hope of winning 'back' voters.

I have an unerring faith in human nature
To capture the disaffected, you have to have disaffected
Dedisaffect them, love bomb them mooney style effectively is the open goal SF has handed this new government
An opportunity knocked and an opportunity has been lost

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where did I 'defend' Slab Murphy?

Can't wait to hear the response to this

maccored wrote: »

they got more votes than most other parties - I know you find that hard to swallow

Then why did they make no effort to form a government?

Deleted User wrote: »

Then why did they make no effort to form a government?

The numbers weren't there...looks more and more likely they aren't there for FF, FG and the Greens too.

128 days wasted because they are all running scared of being blamed for another election?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The numbers weren't there...looks more and more likely they aren't there for FF, FG and the Greens too.

128 days wasted because they are all running scared of being blamed for another election?

Of course the numbers were there. Even without FF and FG. SF just didn’t try.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The numbers weren't there...looks more and more likely they aren't there for FF, FG and the Greens too.

128 days wasted because they are all running scared of being blamed for another election?

The numbers are there. They are there for every party, that is just a silly excuse.

Just compromise and negotiate a common Programme for Government. It is the art of the possible.

Let us be fair to FF/FG/Greens. They have showed that they have the ability to get together and negotiate something. Yes, they may have problems getting it over the line, but their leaders have put a shoulder to the wheel.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where did I 'defend' Slab Murphy?

Mortelaro wrote: »

I have an unerring faith in human nature
To capture the disaffected, you have to have disaffected
Dedisaffect them, love bomb them mooney style effectively is the open goal SF has handed this new government
An opportunity knocked and an opportunity has been lost

I am not wading through the sludge of the old Politics Cafe to find the relevant posts, but Francie defended the endorsement of Slab Murphy as a good republican. He knows it, everyone knows it, why pretend otherwise?

blanch152 wrote: »

The numbers are there. They are there for every party, that is just a silly excuse.

Just compromise and negotiate a common Programme for Government. It is the art of the possible.

Let us be fair to FF/FG/Greens. They have showed that they have the ability to get together and negotiate something. Yes, they may have problems getting it over the line, but their leaders have put a shoulder to the wheel.

That is the point that people are ignoring or missing. They are putting the country first. The fallout from the Covid pandemic will be monumental and tough decisions will have to be made. The fickle electorate will punish whoever makes those decisions. Kudos to Leo, Michael and Eamon for stepping up.

blanch152 wrote: »

I am not wading through the sludge of the old Politics Cafe to find the relevant posts, but Francie defended the endorsement of Slab Murphy as a good republican. He knows it, everyone knows it, why pretend otherwise?

Gerry Adams is entitled to his view of Slab Murphy.

You said

As you regularly point out when defending those thugs,

and have once again failed to back that up.

Defending everybody's right to a fair trial is NOT defending thuggery.

If you got your way the likes of Sil Fox would be well into a prison sentence now merely because somebody alleged he sexually assaulted them.

blanch152 wrote: »

I am not wading through the sludge of the old Politics Cafe to find the relevant posts, but Francie defended the endorsement of Slab Murphy as a good republican. He knows it, everyone knows it, why pretend otherwise?

So you cant show when he defended him. Thats a surprise :eek:

Deleted User wrote: »

That is the point that people are ignoring or missing. They are putting the country first. The fallout from the Covid pandemic will be monumental and tough decisions will have to be made. The fickle electorate will punish whoever makes those decisions. Kudos to Leo, Michael and Eamon for stepping up.

Putting the country first by completely ignoring a party who got about 25% of the votes?

Thats what you do for your country alright.

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course the numbers were there. Even without FF and FG. SF just didn’t try.

How do you know this?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How do you know this?

I know that they didn’t respond to PBP. How do I know that the numbers are there? I did the sums.

Deleted User wrote: »

I know that they didn’t respond to PBP. How do I know that the numbers are there? I did the sums.

Do them for us.

Let us see where the support was.

You claimed it, you back it up.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Putting the country first by completely ignoring a party who got about 25% of the votes?

Thats what you do for your country alright.

Well when the 25% party made little effort to form a government, yes. The others are putting the country first.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do them for us.

Let us see where the support was.

You claimed it, you back it up.

FG + FF = 73
All the others totalled 87

Simples.

Deleted User wrote: »

FG + FF = 73
All the others totalled 87

Simples.

As I thought. Not a notion, just the familiar scripted retort.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I thought. Not a notion, just the familiar scripted retort.

What does this mean? I’m my own person and speak as I see.

Deleted User wrote: »

What does this mean? I’m my own person and speak as I see.

It means that this has been trotted out ad nauseum by a group of posters on here. So much so that it sounds scripted.