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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Curb Your Enthusiasm

Sonrisa wrote: »

Is that an anonymous submission by Ann Doherty? :pac:

You'd swear Cork was full of high quality cycle lanes, on every street the way he's talking

Sonrisa

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

This submission someone posted on Twitter regarding the South Mall cycle lane made me laugh. Contradicts himself over and over. Has he seen the width of the road?

Is that an anonymous submission by Ann Doherty? :pac:

Curb Your Enthusiasm

This submission someone posted on Twitter regarding the South Mall cycle lane made me laugh. Contradicts himself over and over. Has he seen the width of the road?

bingo9999

Frostybrew wrote: »

Yes separate segregation would be better. I would say they're going for two way due to the amount of bus stops on the S. Mall. Could get very tricky with waiting passengers spilling onto new bike lane. Parliament bridge junction will also be tricky.

The traffic lights at the corner of S. Mall and G. Parade will have to be used by cyclists to cross over, unless they're going to designate part of the G. Parade paving as a cycle lane.

I get the impression they are turning some of the footpath into bike lane on grand parade, they talk about moving the coca cola bikes back to accomodate.

TheChizler

Frostybrew wrote: »

Yes separate segregation would be better. I would say they're going for two way due to the amount of bus stops on the S. Mall. Could get very tricky with waiting passengers spilling onto new bike lane. Parliament bridge junction will also be tricky.

The traffic lights at the corner of S. Mall and G. Parade will have to be used by cyclists to cross over, unless they're going to designate part of the G. Parade paving as a cycle lane.

Buses will be tricky, unless you go on road at these points? There are a lot of them so might defeat the purpose. Why not go full bus lane like Skehard Road?

Parliament Bridge would be OK I think, cyclists would have to be in the right hand lane anyway to access the cycle lane, not much of a change to head across to the other side of the road, more natural even and you won't suddenly be slamming on the brakes without warning to make the sharp right turn.

Made a submission anyway!

Frostybrew

TheChizler wrote: »

I'm not a fan of these 2 way cycle lanes on the same side of the road, it's not natural to cross over a lane of traffic to cycle on the right hand side. Also do you have to give way to traffic coming from Parliament Bridge? Its the busiest junction would have thought it would make more sense to have it in the other side, or one on each side like Washington St., though you'd have to contend with buses then.

Yes separate segregation would be better. I would say they're going for two way due to the amount of bus stops on the S. Mall. Could get very tricky with waiting passengers spilling onto new bike lane. Parliament bridge junction will also be tricky.

TheChizler wrote: »

Also how do you get to it from Grand Parade? By cycling across oncoming traffic? It won't be used by people coming from that direction, maybe if they come over Nano Nagle Bridge.

The traffic lights at the corner of S. Mall and G. Parade will have to be used by cyclists to cross over, unless they're going to designate part of the G. Parade paving as a cycle lane.

TheChizler

I'm not a fan of these 2 way cycle lanes on the same side of the road, it's not natural to cross over a lane of traffic to cycle on the right hand side. Also do you have to give way to traffic coming from Parliament Bridge? Its the busiest junction would have thought it would make more sense to have it in the other side, or one on each side like Washington St., though you'd have to contend with buses then.

Also how do you get to it from Grand Parade? By cycling across oncoming traffic? It won't be used by people coming from that direction, maybe if they come over Nano Nagle Bridge.

Frostybrew

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yes Grand Parade bit of a gap alright. Surely that'll happen next after this. I wouldn't underestimate the level of opposition that will come from this especially as regards the parking - it'll change from diagonal to parallel so inevitably less spaces. Expect to see a reaction from certain quarters.

Hopefully there won't be too much opposition but I doubt it. Lot's of old money on the South Mall. In it's present form there is very poor use of road space, with two over wide traffic lanes for the length of the street. The footpaths are also in a poor state of repair.

This scheme needs to be progressed.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yes Grand Parade bit of a gap alright. Surely that'll happen next after this. I wouldn't underestimate the level of opposition that will come from this especially as regards the parking - it'll change from diagonal to parallel so inevitably less spaces. Expect to see a reaction from certain quarters.

Oh absolutely.

Great to see though, definitely an improvement to have two way cycle movement, although connectivity needed up to the Washington Street outbound cycle lane as mentioned.

This is a great start.

Consultation docs here: https://consult.corkcity.ie/en/consultation/interim-cycle-infrastructure-phase-2-south-mall

If we all mention this they may listen and redesign to allow great connectivity along Grand Parade too hopefully.

ScrubsfanChris

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Should continue around to Grand parade, down Washington and connect with the one on the Western rd.
Nice to see things taking a positive step for a change re: cycling

Small correction, the cycle lane already runs both ways on Washington Street.
Although you'd hardly know it the amount of people who use it as parking.....

namloc1980

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Should continue around to Grand parade, down Washington and connect with the one on the Western rd.
Nice to see things taking a positive step for a change re: cycling

Yes Grand Parade bit of a gap alright. Surely that'll happen next after this. I wouldn't underestimate the level of opposition that will come from this especially as regards the parking - it'll change from diagonal to parallel so inevitably less spaces. Expect to see a reaction from certain quarters.

Seamai

namloc1980 wrote: »

Absolutely and done for their own selfish purposes and certainly not for the betterment of the city. They'd rather keep the current system where they get to have a go of having the ceremonial chain for a year than see reform in local government. I reckon Limerick, Galway and Dublin will have a directly elected mayor long before Cork does.

As a Corkonian who voted in favour of an elected mayor last year I couldn't agree more with you.
You only have to look at the farce that the events centre is embroiled in to understand why we need someone with a bit of clout to speak up for the city.

Markcheese

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Should continue around to Grand parade, down Washington and connect with the one on the Western rd.
Nice to see things taking a positive step for a change re: cycling

Always thought grand parade and south mall should have a bus lane as well ,(up the middle of south mall so the buses could go left or right ,and reduce parking in the bus lane ) ,

ScrubsfanChris

namloc1980 wrote: »

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2 way cycle lane proposed for South Mall. It'll require reorientation of parking. Expect tantrums and frothing at the mouth from certain city centre traders. Credit where it is due to the Council - it's a positive start.

Should continue around to Grand parade, down Washington and connect with the one on the Western rd.
Nice to see things taking a positive step for a change re: cycling

namloc1980

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2 way cycle lane proposed for South Mall. It'll require reorientation of parking. Expect tantrums and frothing at the mouth from certain city centre traders. Credit where it is due to the Council - it's a positive start.

Apogee

https://twitter.com/Treb_Cork/status/1272848998001446912

https://twitter.com/Treb_Cork/status/1272853553124605959

whisky_galore

EnzoScifo wrote: »

Licensing and opening times will be changed in conjunction with the implementation of a night mayor

We will see.

bingo9999

Looks like the exposed brick is the final finish based on this video showing the final form. I like it.

https://vimeo.com/358085188?ref&utm_campaign=5370367&utm_source=affiliate&utm_channel=affiliate&cjevent=3f084c9eafd411ea819c035c0a18050f

Great to see Square Deal moving, that section of lancs quay is very dead

namloc1980

It's likely there'll be 3 senior government ministers in Cork (including the Taoiseach) very soon. If they don't get public investment funds and public infrastructure projects moving quickly here then I hope the voters remember that.

opus

I really like the old stone work on the old Beamish building, hopefully it won't get covered up again.

Also the demolition of the Square Deal building has kicked off, pic was taken on Woods St.

AugustusMinimus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Absolutely and done for their own selfish purposes and certainly not for the betterment of the city. They'd rather keep the current system where they get to have a go of having the ceremonial chain for a year than see reform in local government. I reckon Limerick, Galway and Dublin will have a directly elected mayor long before Cork does.

A lot of people believed a no vote would abolish the position of mayor. They were astonished to hear that a new Lordmayor had subsequently been voted in. It’s alarming at times just how stupid the electorate can be.

namloc1980

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Totally agree. Huge missed opportunity, scuppered by some false, misleading info put out by a few political individuals.

Absolutely and done for their own selfish purposes and certainly not for the betterment of the city. They'd rather keep the current system where they get to have a go of having the ceremonial chain for a year than see reform in local government. I reckon Limerick, Galway and Dublin will have a directly elected mayor long before Cork does.

EnzoScifo

whisky_galore wrote: »

Night life in this country is rubbish with our puritanical licencing hours. Half embarrassed showing foreigners around when everyone gets shown the door and thrown out in the street just when things are going nicely.
Unless Cork is going to have different laws to the rest of the country I can't see what can be improved.

Licensing and opening times will be changed in conjunction with the implementation of a night mayor

Curb Your Enthusiasm

namloc1980 wrote: »

According to the Programme for Government the directly elected mayor in Limerick will be elected in 2021 and the office will receive a package of financial support. It also says that from 2024 any local authority may have a directly elected mayor but only where it is either specifically requested by the Council in question or by a petition of 20% of voters in that Council area. Such a shame it was rejected here - at a minimum we'd be spared the annual charade of the handing over of the ceremonial chain between FF and FG.

Totally agree. Huge missed opportunity, scuppered by some false, misleading info put out by a few political individuals.

namloc1980

According to the Programme for Government the directly elected mayor in Limerick will be elected in 2021 and the office will receive a package of financial support. It also says that from 2024 any local authority may have a directly elected mayor but only where it is either specifically requested by the Council in question or by a petition of 20% of voters in that Council area. Such a shame it was rejected here - at a minimum we'd be spared the annual charade of the handing over of the ceremonial chain between FF and FG.

whisky_galore

namloc1980 wrote: »

- Establish a night time culture mayor (never heard of this before).

Night life in this country is rubbish with our puritanical licencing hours. Half embarrassed showing foreigners around when everyone gets shown the door and thrown out in the street just when things are going nicely.
Unless Cork is going to have different laws to the rest of the country I can't see what can be improved.

opus

marno21 wrote: »

There is SFA planned for implementation in Cork during the lifetime of this Government in CMATS anyway. Apart from filling up filing cabinets with endless reports there was very little on the ground work planned.

Is there anything to be said for another report on the docklands

I've obviously lived in Cork way too long as I've seen several of them touted over my time here.

I took advantage of the nice evening to take a jog along the Marina, what's the plan for this space again? I believe the area near the rowing club is for a car park.

namloc1980

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Similar to a night Czar : https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/arts-and-culture/24-hour-london/night-czar

Yeah it appears it was already in train since this time year. So nothing new in the Programme for Government as it specifically relates to mentions of Cork. All these things are already planned/committed to in one shape or another.

marno21

There is SFA planned for implementation in Cork during the lifetime of this Government in CMATS anyway. Apart from filling up filing cabinets with endless reports there was very little on the ground work planned.

Hopefully every single greenway and cycling project in CMATS is pushed ahead at warp speed. And the elements of the suburban rail network that can be done at short notice are accelerated.

There should be planning permission for both BusConnects and Cork Light Rail achieved quickly too. Time to get the finger out as the timelines in CMATS are a pisstake.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

namloc1980 wrote: »

So the Programme for Government has been published. Document is high level and Cork is mentioned 5 times in it specifically:

- Commitment to implementing CMATS
- Specific mention of progressing BusConnects
- Commitment to prioritise rail projects
- A vague mention of developing Cork and the other smaller cities as viable alternatives to Dublin
- Establish a night time culture mayor (never heard of this before).