Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

bubblypop wrote: »

Pedestrians can enter any gate.
Why would only two gates being open put people off?

The massive traffic jam that it causes at times. Garda warnings an all that.

bubblypop wrote: »

Take it from someone who is in there everyday, there is no parking in grass on the north road. None at all.

polesheep wrote: »

...There are cars parked on the grass throughout the Park at the weekend. ....

ongarboy wrote: »

...We got easy parking near Ashtown gates albeit on the grass verge where many others were parked. ...

Funny when the Zoo is busy they park on the grass all around Garda HQ and a good bit up the road.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3536543,-6.30204,3a,75y,9.25h,88.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMSKrlb6pPgZhbg2zqJWfrw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DMSKrlb6pPgZhbg2zqJWfrw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D98.68784%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Guess I must have imagined it.

Pedestrians can enter any gate.
Why would only two gates being open put people off?

zerosugarbuzz

bubblypop wrote: »

Just the two main gates on Chesterfield Ave

Hope they open the others up soon, wont be using the park much until they do

beauf wrote: »

. So people are instead parking on the grass on the North road, where there is no parking.

At least so I hear. Sounds like a nightmare if you caught in traffic, best to avoid.

Take it from someone who is in there everyday, there is no parking in grass on the north road. None at all.

polesheep wrote: »

Exactly the same as what?

polesheep wrote: »

...It's a park not a carpark. I'm reminded of Dollymount beach where people turned the beach into a carpark and thereby removed the amenity of a beach. It defied logic.

Apparently you see parking on the beach on a wildlife reserve, the same as parking on a road thats been a road for over a century.

The role of Chesterfield Avenue in the broader road network of the Greater Dublin Area has long
been acknowledged. Although routing through a public park, Chesterfield Avenue provides traffic
with a direct link between Castleknock/Blanchardstown and Dublin City Centre via the Liffey
Quays. The result is a relatively high traffic volume using Chesterfield Avenue, at approximately
10,000 vehicles per day on weekdays, reducing to 8,000 vehicles per day at weekends. Highest
traffic volumes are on the eastern section of Chesterfield Avenue (east of the Papal Cross)
where weekend traffic flows are in excess of 9,000 vehicles per day.
This volume of traffic on Chesterfield Avenue is clearly inconsistent with its setting within a Park
of National and International importance.

I'm the same, often reminded of a beach when on the Ave.

Pat Dunne wrote: »

And what brings you to the conclusion that this is sufficient capacity?

The idea for a new car parks was so that people can park in one, just inside the gate and not have to drive through the park. Since that was the aim to remove cars from the center of the park. Also increase the capacity so people don't park on the grass.

However those that want to remove cars from the center of the park want no new car parks and instead retain those that require people to drive through the park to get them, and/or park on the grass.

This is also OPW thinking. Which is why there is a queue through the park for Farmleigh on busy days. Despite it having other entrances, to public roads. Which used to be open when Farmleigh originally opened, but they closed them.

Likewise now. OPW have it so I can drive from Castleknock Gate to the Zoo. But I can't enter at NCR and drive a few hundred yards to the Zoo. They have stopped parking on the Ave, where there is parking. So people are instead parking on the grass on the North road, where there is no parking.

At least so I hear. Sounds like a nightmare if you caught in traffic, best to avoid.

beauf wrote: »

Except AFAIK you can park on bull Island. On Causeway road. There's even a golf course on it. With parking.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3697732,-6.1487581,3a,75y,320.41h,72.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYk7ul1wTsYqNGn3pPaDsBg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3750808,-6.1378664,3a,90y,342.82h,73.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCVrPU-qH3UAkkOVhTCbOXA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Also it doesn't go anywhere so not a transport link 9 million car journeys.
Its doesn't have 10 million visitors. The Zoo alone is Irelands 3rd most popular Visitor attraction with 1.3 million.
Garda headquarters, Hospital and nursing homes. Etc.

Do people want to ban cars from Causeway road or the Golf course?

So exactly the same.

Exactly the same as what?

Just the two main gates on Chesterfield Ave

zerosugarbuzz

Are the gates open yet?

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Ah so it Parking Management more than parking capacity that is your concern.

the capacity is clearly there

Pat Dunne

bubblypop wrote: »

because I am in the Park every day, and I can see that even when drivers park on the grass in one place, there are still car parking places available in different parts of the park.

Ah so it Parking Management more than parking capacity that is your concern.

Pat Dunne wrote: »

And what makes you draw the conclusion that this is sufficient capacity?

because I am in the Park every day, and I can see that even when drivers park on the grass in one place, there are still car parking places available in different parts of the park.

Pat Dunne

bubblypop wrote: »

there are car parking spaces at
Lords walk carpark
beside the Army sports ground
beside the cricket pitch
beside the Polo club
at the popes cross, and also across the road from there
in the visitors centre
in Farmleigh
along Military road
beside the soccer changing rooms
off the Upper Glen road
inside the Knokmaroon gate
along Furze road
Only lazy drivers park on the grass. Their cars should be towed when they do.

And what brings you to the conclusion that this is sufficient capacity?

there are car parking spaces at
Lords walk carpark
beside the Army sports ground
beside the cricket pitch
beside the Polo club
at the popes cross, and also across the road from there
in the visitors centre
in Farmleigh
along Military road
beside the soccer changing rooms
off the Upper Glen road
inside the Knokmaroon gate
along Furze road

Only lazy drivers park on the grass. Their cars should be towed when they do.

On the grass mainly...

Pat Dunne

bubblypop wrote: »

There is already plenty of carparking space in the park. No need for more.

Where exactly is this car parking space you refer to?

horse7 wrote: »

There's 1747 acres in the park ,I think we can afford a few for car parks and let more people enjoy it.

There is already plenty of carparking space in the park. No need for more.

horse7 wrote: »

There's 1747 acres in the park ,I think we can afford a few for car parks and let more people enjoy it.

I think you are missing the point. They don't want to change ANYTHING.

Other than ban all cars. ALL of them. Evil devices.

horse7

polesheep wrote: »

Surely you can see that more carparks in the park means less park?

There's 1747 acres in the park ,I think we can afford a few for car parks and let more people enjoy it. Aras an Uachtarain had 160 acres for 2 people, you could park the whole country in it.

I think its worth a try. Block all cars for 6 months. Let us know how it works out.

polesheep wrote: »

Not true. I would like to see changes made that reduce the number of cars in the park. I say this as someone for whom not being able to drive through the park will become a PITA. It's a park not a carpark. I'm reminded of Dollymount beach where people turned the beach into a carpark and thereby removed the amenity of a beach. It defied logic.

Except AFAIK you can park on bull Island. On Causeway road. There's even a golf course on it. With parking.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3697732,-6.1487581,3a,75y,320.41h,72.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYk7ul1wTsYqNGn3pPaDsBg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3750808,-6.1378664,3a,90y,342.82h,73.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCVrPU-qH3UAkkOVhTCbOXA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Also it doesn't go anywhere so not a transport link 9 million car journeys.
Its doesn't have 10 million visitors. The Zoo alone is Irelands 3rd most popular Visitor attraction with 1.3 million.
Garda headquarters, Hospital and nursing homes. Etc.

Do people want to ban cars from Causeway road or the Golf course?

So exactly the same.

horse7 wrote: »

It would be better to have more carparks there so people could enjoy the park. It's not 1660 any more, we have to move with the times.

Surely you can see that more carparks in the park means less park?

horse7

It would be better to have more carparks there so people could enjoy the park. It's not 1660 any more, we have to move with the times.

beauf wrote: »

Obviously you don't want anything changed. So the hour long tailbacks, and dangerous junctions, and parking on the grass, destroying it, will remain.

Same extreme views with the children's hospital. Hence we now have that in the worst possible location and made it one of the most expensive hospital building projects in the world. 90% of people will travel to that in car. But there won't be any space for them either.

Same with the park. Remove all cars, when the majority of people use car to get to it. But thats fine. Limit access to those who use public transport and those that can walk or cycle to it.

Not true. I would like to see changes made that reduce the number of cars in the park. I say this as someone for whom not being able to drive through the park will become a PITA. It's a park not a carpark. I'm reminded of Dollymount beach where people turned the beach into a carpark and thereby removed the amenity of a beach. It defied logic.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Going to the Zoo tomorrow at 3:30
Are the gates open and where can we park ? We have a young child with us who can’t walk too far . Thank you for any help

castleknock gate & parkgate st gate are open.
zoo carpark is open everyday, as are the other two carparks opposite.
no hassle at all

Can't find any official info on whats open in terms of car parks. There is no parking on the main road anyway.
( some have said they are parking on the grass on the north road when using the parkk

). Not sure a visit to the zoo is worth the potential hassle at the moment.

iamwhoiam

Going to the Zoo tomorrow at 3:30
Are the gates open and where can we park ? We have a young child with us who can’t walk too far . Thank you for any help

polesheep wrote: »

I don't see why they cannot cover the entire park with tarmac. That way everyone driving to visit the park will get a parking space.

Obviously you don't want anything changed. So the hour long tailbacks, and dangerous junctions, and parking on the grass, destroying it, will remain.

Same extreme views with the children's hospital. Hence we now have that in the worst possible location and made it one of the most expensive hospital building projects in the world. 90% of people will travel to that in car. But there won't be any space for them either.

Same with the park. Remove all cars, when the majority of people use car to get to it. But thats fine. Limit access to those who use public transport and those that can walk or cycle to it.