JohnnyFlash wrote: » Very homoerotic undertones to that post, dude.
satguy wrote: » Micheál Martin receiving 'strong messages of support' for programme for government..https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0616/1147646-programme-for-govt-endorsed/ FG are about to bend FF over,,, and RTE just want to see what MM's climax face looks like,,, just for fun... GP are the lube..
smurgen wrote: » What a chain of events. Responsible party lol. I can't wait to see what the next year or so is going to bring. Boards is going to be highly entertaining.https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1224831552846123008?s=09
Bishop of hope wrote: » You have to swallow a lot of your words in politics! How, would any party coalesce without that. Like any mixture of FF, FG, or SF. SF whinging because they're not ncluded?
smurgen wrote: » Nope not swallowing words at all. It's two faced moves like this that erodes public confidence in politics as a whole.then those that utter them wonder why people protest and revolt against them. People won't forget what happened. Words have meaning.
satguy wrote: » Because the small time builders, accidental landlords, small farmers and part time publicans, that are the traditional FF voters,, have nothing in common with FG voters. FF should hang their heads in shame,, on what they are about to do,, I really think it will hurt them more than they can ever know.. FG are the wide boys,, EX solicitors, accounts and newspaper business editors,, maybe the odd Doctor,, and will eat FF alive..
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Mary Lou: FF or FG back in government would be a disaster. Mary Lou: How dare FF and FG not talk to SF about forming a government. Hmmmmm.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » The average Rent in Dublin at the end of 2019 was 2,044 a month. If you work 5 days a week for a month 8 hours a day minimum wage you earn 1616. Where are you suppose to find the extra money? That is one legacy the Govt have left, Young people have nowhere to turn apart from the airport.
blanch152 wrote: » As for those who protest and revolt, isn't that what they always do and isn't that just about the only thing that they are any use at?
efanton wrote: » https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/youth-wing-of-fine-gael-says-it-will-vote-against-government-deal-1005746.html I wonder what percentage Young Fine Gael have within the Fine Gael members vote for the coalition. do you wish to withdraw your above statement? Its patently obvious that the result of the election was that many people are revolting against FF/FG for the first time in decades. when you have an entire wing of the FG organisation, and a large proportion of the FF councillors in outright rebellion it going to be be very hard for anyone to claim that this coalition is what the people wanted.
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2019/ Over the period 2013 to 2019, the number of emigrants in the 15-24 age group declined from 23,900 to 17,600. Among the 25-44 age group, it declined from 37,100 to 26,800. Some of these were Irish nationals, others were non-Irish re-emigrating (e.g. this would always include long-stay international students returning home for example). Among Irish nationals, it declined from 48,300 to 29,000. Once again, the facts are at complete variance to the arguments advanced by a Sinn Fein-supporting poster.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » So 17,600 people under the age of 24 (many were forced to leave Ireland as had no option) is an acceptable figure.
Podge_irl wrote: » Ireland will always have a degree of emigration by nature of being in Europe with a number of much larger economies with greater opportunities surrounding it. Membership of the EU makes it that much easier. the fact the number is down is a positive but it will never be zero. What would you consider a healthy number?
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Well when every 3rd or 4th young person you know has left or plans to go if this bunch of chancers get the deal over the line, tells me something is wrong
blanch152 wrote: » Person in dundalk talking to his friends versus official CSO statistics that tell a very different story. Personally, I would believe the CSO stats over you any day.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » So we now going on CSO stats. The Homeless numbers are above 10,000 so
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/homelessness/other/homelessness-data "Official homelessness data is produced by local authorities through the Pathway Accommodation & Support System (PASS). PASS was rolled-out nationally during the course of 2013" When did the CSO take over?
blanch152 wrote: » Not at all, this only shows your lack of understanding of politics. Fine Gael were faced with three poor choices after the election. (1) The best choice they had was to go into opposition. This would allow the party to rebuild, to regroup and to re-energise. This was the preferred choice for those reasons and why it was signalled so quickly after the election. However, it became apparent over about a fortnight that the party who proclaimed victory on election night - Sinn Fein - had no real interest or appetite in forming a government, to the extent that four months later they never had any serious discussion with any party about a programme for government. At the same time, the need for real leadership in the country became apparent as the implications of Covid-19 took hold. So, after that first fortnight, Fine Gael had to consider whether to change tack in the national interest in light of the inability of other parties to step up to the plate. (2) The second choice was to do a deal with Sinn Fein. Fine Gael correctly never explored this choice because of what Sinn Fein are, a party of terrorist supporters without even the first clue about economic management, and a real threat to democracy with their support for good republicans. This one went nowhere for those obvious reasons. (3) The third choice was to do a deal with Fianna Fail and someone else. I am sure this was distasteful to many in Fine Gael, but to be fair to them, they stepped up to the plate. I for one am delighted that they did, as the Greens now have a chance to be in government with a sensible partner. That is the narrative, that is how it happened, that is why Varadkar has an approval rating of 75% and why Fine Gael are on 37% in the polls. They are doing what the electorate want. Similarly, the Greens are also up 4%. I hope that you are right that people won't forget what happened. Given the figures, an FG/Green coalition, with a stronger Green presence would be a real possibility after the next election. As for those who protest and revolt, isn't that what they always do and isn't that just about the only thing that they are any use at?
