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PlayStation 5 - Now with FAQ in OP.

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Mark Cerny has been showing off the dev kit:

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console

PS5 FAQ:
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/#sf239758641

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Markitron wrote: »

Tbh I have always thought the console/phone comparisons to be utter nonsense.

Don't see why. You will in all probability have a console for several years, many phones are significantly more expensive and are replaced more often. Sony could come out and price it at say 600 and people will go mad complaining it's too expensive etc, yet have no bother shelling out far more to apple every time an incrementally updated iphone comes out.

BloodBath

Microsofts will be around the same no doubt. There's a reason they are also releasing a lower spec machine. The top one will be expensive.

The lower spec one will still play the same games but at a lower resolution/framerate, lower specs and price obviously.

shaveAbullock

BloodBath wrote: »

Not a chance of €400-500.

We're talking about at least £750 worth of hardware in these things. It will be at least £599 sterling imo.

The biggest loss Sony will stomach selling them is £100-150 per unit.

I agree but I think it's difficult for people to see the value as there has been no demo to show off the processing power these consoles are capable of.
People will come around to the idea of the higher price point once more games are previewed.

BloodBath

Greyfox wrote: »

People are use to a new console been around about a certain price, I can see it launching for €550 which ill be fine with. €800 on launch is not going to happen, they would of had the €400 - €600 price range in mind all along as €800 would be a guarenteed online backlash from gamers and the media focusing on the word expensive.

Not a chance of €400-500.

We're talking about at least £750 worth of hardware in these things. It will be at least £599 sterling imo.

The biggest loss Sony will stomach selling them is £100-150 per unit.

Cienciano

Markitron wrote: »

Tbh I have always thought the console/phone comparisons to be utter nonsense.

But people will pay €300k for a house. Surely they'll pay €500 for a console

Homelander

Burned? The big games all look and run best on the One X, followed by the PS4 Pro. Some offer 60fps performance v 30fps visual mode. They do exactly what they set out to do.

TheIrishGrover

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

No one knows what it its at the moment in fairness.

My own theory, is that they'll phase out the exisiting 'S' and possibly repackage the current X as the lower tier model.

Well, yeah, that's what I meant. They have already confirmed that there would be two versions of the high end device: One with optic drive and one without. Like the PS5, apart from that, it is exactly the same.

Yeah, the rumours are that the Lockheart is a different device altogether. As you said, streaming. Of course this could be all the remains of the very early rumours. One of the very first rumours was that there would be two devices.

If true then I would actually be concerned if I were buying an Xbox. I would rather not splash out for the tip-top device if all games were designed to work on the core system but be "enhanced" for the top tier device. One device will thrive and the other will die. Either the core or the high-end and do you want to spend money on the Betamax/HD-DVD?

I was burned with the PS-Pro. The "enhancements" were non-existant as it was not worth the studios spending extra money.

keyboard_cat

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The other thing to remember is game prices will go up again as they do at the start of every generation. Expect 80-70 euro to be the norm until the audience grows large enough to sustain deep discounts.

Yup when the PS4 launched I remember buying new games off www.videogamesplus.ca for about 45 euro shipped. same games were 65-70 anywhere else.

All the more reason to get the disk version it will pay for itself very quickly after a few used games or discounted physical games are purchased

CastorTroy

I think 1 of the companies needs to "leak" their price. This way they can gauge people's reactions and the other company can announce their price. Then the first company can officially announce their price based on that.

If that makes sense

Markitron

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Also. typing all that further drives home how awful the whole S/X/SX naming convention is for discussion purposes. :rolleyes:

Agreed, I really don't know what they were thinking. To really make sense it would need 2 or 3 more consoles over the next decade or so. Until then it is just stupid.

Mitch Connor

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Also. typing all that further drives home how awful the whole S/X/SX naming convention is for discussion purposes. :rolleyes:

It's tricky, tricky (Tricky) tricky

Stone Deaf 4evr

Markitron wrote: »

Well I am just going by the rumours, which were accurate in every other respect. Considering MS's current push for cloud gaming, the lockhart being a streaming box is an extremely safe bet. If they were gonna do a disc-less XSX they probably would have just shown it already like sony did with the PS5.

I think they will keep the S as their entry base model, otherwise they wouldn't have made such a big deal about every game running on every XB1/XSX model. If anything I think the 1X will be phased out for the XSX.

Well, if you think about it, when you say a 'streaming box', I assume you mean something that uses Xcloud, which currently works on phones, so should be fairly handily run on any of the current gen consoles.
MS have said in the past, that while they can see the value of cloud gaming, the hardcore fan will demand the lowest latency / highest graphical fidelity, and this is who the series X is for.
By making the current one X the 'lesser' model, you still get a graphical leap above the baseline consoles, and a console with a bit more horsepower for the cross generation titles. The X can regularly be bought for about €250 now, so a recased, optical drive free version for €200 would surely be tempting to a lot of people.

Also. typing all that further drives home how awful the whole S/X/SX naming convention is for discussion purposes. :rolleyes:

Markitron

Penn wrote: »

Agreed, and unlike the PS4 and XB1, backwards compatibility comes as standard now, so you'll still have PS4 games to play on it that you might have been playing over Xmas anyway

Yea, I am selling my PS4 Pro after I finish TLOU2, which should be the end of next week. That essentially means Ghosts of Tsushima a launch title for me too. Even if they don't properly patch it, I will still be able to play it at PS4 Pro settings with no load times so its a win win.

TitianGerm

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

I'm on the Wage Subsidy Scheme at the moment in work and I don't know what the potential blowback is in relation to a tax bill at the end of it all so €600 for a console that looks like it's going to have a piss poor selection of launch titles is not going to be a priority.

If your take home pay is still the same (excluding any tax refunds) I'd suggest looking at a payslip from before you went on the scheme and add up the PAYE, USC and PRSI EE deductions. Then try save that amount each week for as long as you're on the scheme and it should cover the taxes you'll owe.

Mitch Connor

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The other thing to remember is game prices will go up again as they do at the start of every generation. Expect 80-70 euro to be the norm until the audience grows large enough to sustain deep discounts.

I doubt it.

https://www.vg247.com/2014/11/12/ps4-xbox-one-digital-higher-prices/

2014.

Prices were about €60. Digital was higher, as it still is. Physical was in line with what we pay now, and paid before.

Penn

Markitron wrote: »

Console launches have an always will be for early adopters. They are almost never 100% worth it day 1.

Tbf if it launches with Demon's Souls, R&C and Spider-Man, along with the usual selection of 3rd party, that would make it one of the better line ups in a while

Agreed, and unlike the PS4 and XB1, backwards compatibility comes as standard now, so you'll still have PS4 games to play on it that you might have been playing over Xmas anyway

Markitron

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

I'm on the Wage Subsidy Scheme at the moment in work and I don't know what the potential blowback is in relation to a tax bill at the end of it all so €600 for a console that looks like it's going to have a piss poor selection of launch titles is not going to be a priority.

Console launches have an always will be for early adopters. They are almost never 100% worth it day 1.

Tbf if it launches with Demon's Souls, R&C and Spider-Man, along with the usual selection of 3rd party, that would make it one of the better line ups in a while

Retr0gamer

The other thing to remember is game prices will go up again as they do at the start of every generation. Expect 80-70 euro to be the norm until the audience grows large enough to sustain deep discounts.

The Raging Bile Duct

MarkY91 wrote: »

If ye can't afford €600 for a 5+ year console gaming investment then you need to manage your money a little better.

Most of us will be selling the PS4 anyway which will help cover a little bit of the costs.

I'm on the Wage Subsidy Scheme at the moment in work and I don't know what the potential blowback is in relation to a tax bill at the end of it all so €600 for a console that looks like it's going to have a piss poor selection of launch titles is not going to be a priority.

Markitron

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

No one knows what it its at the moment in fairness.

My own theory, is that they'll phase out the exisiting 'S' and possibly repackage the current X as the lower tier model.

Well I am just going by the rumours, which were accurate in every other respect. Considering MS's current push for cloud gaming, the lockhart being a streaming box is an extremely safe bet. If they were gonna do a disc-less XSX they probably would have just shown it already like sony did with the PS5.

I think they will keep the S as their entry base model, otherwise they wouldn't have made such a big deal about every game running on every XB1/XSX model. If anything I think the 1X will be phased out for the XSX.

johnny_ultimate

MarkY91 wrote: »

If ye can't afford €600 for a 5+ year console gaming investment then you need to manage your money a little better.

We’re in the midst of an unprecedented global recession, with huge amounts of people out of work temporarily or permanently. €600 for what is purely a luxury item is a big ask for a lot of people at the best of times, and much more so now.

Sony and Microsoft designed their boxes in a different environment, so they’ll likely be more expensive than if launch was a year or two away - nothing they can do about that at this stage. But €600 is a big ask for a lot of people regardless of circumstances, and every €100 you add or subtract from the price will have a big impact on the size of the audience.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Markitron wrote: »

The Lockhart isn't just a disc-less series X, its supposed to be a streaming box, so it would be significantly cheaper than the Series X.

No one knows what it its at the moment in fairness.

My own theory, is that they'll phase out the exisiting 'S' and possibly repackage the current X as the lower tier model.

TitianGerm

Hyzepher wrote: »

It's hard to look below a $700 release price for both consoles. I'm not sure wither company could sustain such a big HW loss if it's $500. Microsoft maybe in a better position to provide value with such an expensive console if they open up their Game Pass as this will provide people with a large number of games to play day 1, thus reducing the launch day costs somewhat. Especially if Game Pass gets a launch title added.

We might see games exclusive to this generation costing a lot more to recoup some of the HW loss.

With people looking to the past to predict the pricing, we may find that both companies will be using the fact that for the first time consoles will be the leading edge of gaming to enable them to set a new price for console gaming.

In a world of materialism and consumerism that has started to get out of control - especially in North America - there is a growing trend that more expensive = better and prettier = more powerful. For the vast majority of gamers, the impact of special SSD technology will go unnoticed set against something that has the appearance of better graphics.

All first party studios launch on Game Pass.

Microsoft could cover the loss on consoles indefinitely. The money they make from subscription services alone is ridiculous. Azure and Office were up massively in Q4 of 2019.

I expect to see a reduction in Microsoft console prices as more people get into GamePass. They even introduced a program in the US last year (maybe it was 2018 though) where you paid a monthly fee for your console and online services.

Mitch Connor

Markitron wrote: »

The Lockhart isn't just a disc-less series X, its supposed to be a streaming box, so it would be significantly cheaper than the Series X.

I can't work out how they price and position that vs Xbox One X, when they are strong on their first party games supporting both gens for the next couple of years. If the specs are much less than Series X then it will be difficult for third parties to support it with proper next gen titles.

Seems like a nothing console.

Markitron

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

I can see MS releasing their full fat one at 549.99 (No Optic)/599.99 (With Optical Drive) if the rumours of different specced versions are true (Lockhart v Anaconda).

The Lockhart isn't just a disc-less series X, its supposed to be a streaming box, so it would be significantly cheaper than the Series X.

TheIrishGrover

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I'm expecting to pay €800-€900 for the PS5, headphones and camera. Hopefully €800, but those figures are in my head, so if it's cheaper, that's an extra game on launch! Personally, I don't think that's much to spend on something which should last for 7 or so years. Again, I think both Sony and MS know that day 1 purchases for new consoles is not the done thing anymore, people are more cautious due to previous experiences. This would line up with their limited stock release, and I don't think there'll be an immediate shortage, but they will run out within a few weeks imo.

Oh I wouldn't think it will go that high at all. I would imagine that they will try to keep it under the 600 Euro mark. That would be the sweet spot for them (And MS of course). Maybe 499.99 for the digital version and 549.99 for the one with the optical drive. I can see them taking a 100 - 150 hit per machine for the first year (As they did with the PS4).

Couple of interesting interviews on BBC website to MS and Sony. Pretty much asking the same things: Releasing console in current climate. Both pretty much said the same thing: Look, we realise a new console isn't as important to people as putting food on the table so we are planning accordingly.

I can see MS releasing their full fat one at 549.99 (No Optic)/599.99 (With Optical Drive) if the rumours of different specced versions are true (Lockhart v Anaconda).

I'd be most interested in the digital only version. I can't remember when I last bought a physical disc. But for me the big thing is compatibility. Fair play to MS, their backwards compatibility feature is a real selling point. I know it's only a relatively new feature (Nobody expected their SNES to play their NES games after all

) but I have a few games that I really don't want to lose when I go to PS5: TLOU2 - which will be playable on both, FF7 Remake? God of War? a few others that I've bought in the last year. I already have a PS4, Switch and Xbox under the tele. Don't want another (Although I'll probably ditch the xbox as I haven't turned it on in almost a year)

Mitch Connor

MarkY91 wrote: »

If ye can't afford €600 for a 5+ year console gaming investment then you need to manage your money a little better.

Most of us will be selling the PS4 anyway which will help cover a little bit of the costs.

But you aren't spreading the cost over that time frame.

Its the lump sum that people will look at. and 600 could be for very little. you could be looking at 700+ by the time you have anything to play etc.

MarkY91

If ye can't afford €600 for a 5+ year console gaming investment then you need to manage your money a little better.

Most of us will be selling the PS4 anyway which will help cover a little bit of the costs.

Dayjur

A console has a minimum life span of 5 years without the next best thing coming a long unlike phones, I really don't think a 600 euro console is a large investment and there's no guarantee the price will even be that high

Hyzepher

It's hard to look below a $700 release price for both consoles. I'm not sure wither company could sustain such a big HW loss if it's $500. Microsoft maybe in a better position to provide value with such an expensive console if they open up their Game Pass as this will provide people with a large number of games to play day 1, thus reducing the launch day costs somewhat. Especially if Game Pass gets a launch title added.

We might see games exclusive to this generation costing a lot more to recoup some of the HW loss.

With people looking to the past to predict the pricing, we may find that both companies will be using the fact that for the first time consoles will be the leading edge of gaming to enable them to set a new price for console gaming.

In a world of materialism and consumerism that has started to get out of control - especially in North America - there is a growing trend that more expensive = better and prettier = more powerful. For the vast majority of gamers, the impact of special SSD technology will go unnoticed set against something that has the appearance of better graphics.