Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think only a fool would underestimate the fffgg collaboration versus a poor adversarial confidence and supply arrangement yes
And I don't think you are a fool, I just think you'll be relying on them cocking it up
A big ask when they're working together as opposed to fighting

Two incompetent parties with no change at the top are more likely to doubly cock up.

blanch152 wrote: »

So are Fianna Fail rehabilitated or not? If they are, why aren't you worried?

Rehabilitated enough so that they can lead FG in as a crutch to power.

celt262

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Two incompetent parties with no change at the top are more likely to doubly cock up.

You hope

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Two incompetent parties with no change at the top are more likely to doubly cock up.

Yeah,I 2nd the 'you hope' but I'd expect it to be a forlorn hope

celt262 wrote: »

You hope

I don't actually.
I believed Enda in 2011...too long in the tooth now to get carried away with the hail fella well met waves of positivity. (I think it is more relief than positivity tbh)

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't actually.
I believed Enda in 2011...too long in the tooth now to get carried away with the hail fella well met waves of positivity. (I think it is more relief than positivity tbh)

I thought you believed him in 2016 as well, or did I misread that?

blanch152 wrote: »

I thought you believed him in 2016 as well, or did I misread that?

I didnt really. More a vote for Humphries, truth be told.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didnt really. More a vote for Humphries, truth be told.

I still find that very hard to believe.

Blanch still pushing the 'Fine Gael competence' angle like a pliant elf in Santa's workshop.

There were a couple of competants in the last Fine Gael cabinet (namely Coveney and Donohoe), the rest relied on their civil servants to keep them from walking into lampposts every other day.

If you want to sell a party as 'the clever boy party', have more than a couple of people who can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Hamsterchops

SF as the official opposition, dear God help us

A rag-tag of assorted ex cons "freedom fighters" & jailbirds, led by a very vocal baglady with a loud voice. It will be a painful kind of drudgery for the foreseeable future, as the new Dail attempts to function and steer the country out of this Covid crisis, while Mary Lou & her band of pirates hurl abuse & insults across the chamber on a daily basis.

It won't be pretty.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

SF as the official opposition, dear God help us

A rag-tag of assorted ex cons "freedom fighters" & jailbirds, led by a very vocal baglady with a loud voice. It will be a painful kind of drudgery for the foreseeable future, as the new Dail attempts to function and steer the country out of this Covid crisis, while Mary Lou & her band of pirates hurl abuse & insults across the chamber on a daily basis.

It won't be pretty.

The outgoing government and their fellow travelers were no choirboys when it came to flinging invective.

This may surprise you, but a hell of a lot of people have no time for the disdain and arrogance they displayed, and it showed at the ballot box.

Bishop of hope

All parliamentary party's and senators have endorsed the deal including Catherine Martin of the Greens. Her support is crucial in getting it ratified by the Green faithful.
I'd be surprised now if it's not ratified by all party's.
Michael will be Taoiseach before the end of the month god help us.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0616/1147646-programme-for-govt-endorsed/

Hamsterchops

...forgot to add wannabe "New age intellectuals" to the ranks of the Sinn Fein rag-tag of Pirates. Eoin O Groanin & his undersized "intellectual specs" comes to mind. A future Shinner leader, possibly?

JohnnyFlash

Yurt! wrote: »

Blanch still pushing the 'Fine Gael competence' angle like a pliant elf in Santa's workshop.

There were a couple of competants in the last Fine Gael cabinet (namely Coveney and Donohoe), the rest relied on their civil servants to keep them from walking into lampposts every other day.

If you want to sell a party as 'the clever boy party', have more than a couple of people who can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Are you the lad who voted for that SF looper down in Clare? The one who didn’t pay her rent, doesn’t believe in vaccines, and likes to get high ans abuse her constituents on Facebook.

Those in glasshouses, my friend.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Are you the lad who voted for that SF looper down in Clare? The one who didn’t pay her rent, doesn’t believe in vaccines, and likes to get high ans abuse her constituents on Facebook.

Those in glasshouses, my friend.

Nope, and I've criticized her if you want to sift through my posts.

Try again Johnny.

Edgware

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh I think that's wishful thinking
Don't underestimate the resolve to neuter the protest vote
They're not fools,they have a majority government to actually implement stuff now,a fairly comprehensive list of stuff in that programme
A world of difference from what a confidence and supply outfit can do
Theres many many advantages to them making this work

If labour and the Soc Dems come together in the next decade,SF will have a lot of work to do to stand still

The Soc Dems should forget this dual leader approach (although one of them will throw a wobbly if she cant be leader) They have a solid six seats base and if they could work the next few years to bring that to ten they could be in a strong position for government.
The honeymoon is now over for FG. Once they are back in power and the Covid show moves on their poll ratings will drop. There wont be much between FF FG and SF come another election. Martin will have had Taoiseach gig and will retire as leader. I can see a new F. leader ready to do a deal with SF/Labour or others and freeze FG out

Yurt! wrote: »

Blanch still pushing the 'Fine Gael competence' angle like a pliant elf in Santa's workshop.

There were a couple of competants in the last Fine Gael cabinet (namely Coveney and Donohoe), the rest relied on their civil servants to keep them from walking into lampposts every other day.

If you want to sell a party as 'the clever boy party', have more than a couple of people who can chew gum and walk at the same time.

Yurt! wrote: »

The outgoing government and their fellow travelers were no choirboys when it came to flinging invective.

This may surprise you, but a hell of a lot of people have no time for the disdain and arrogance they displayed, and it showed at the ballot box.

There is a distinct taste of lemon in the air.

I see Mary-Lou has retreated to the safety of BBC Radio Ulster for her interviews, avoiding the hard questions she would get down South. Par for the course for her.

Is there a handy rock for her to climb back under? At 51, with another decade on the opposition benches looming, her political career may have peaked already. How long before she gets pushed?

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Are you the lad who voted for that SF looper down in Clare? The one who didn’t pay her rent, doesn’t believe in vaccines, and likes to get high ans abuse her constituents on Facebook.

Those in glasshouses, my friend.

No, I think he voted for the other nutter in Kildare.

She is the one who is against water flouridation, the anti-semite who thinks Jeremy Corbyn is a victim of Mossad and that Irish judges are pedophiles.

Edgware

blanch152 wrote: »

There is a distinct taste of lemon in the air.

I see Mary-Lou has retreated to the safety of BBC Radio Ulster for her interviews, avoiding the hard questions she would get down South. Par for the course for her.

Is there a handy rock for her to climb back under? At 51, with another decade on the opposition benches looming, her political career may have peaked already. How long before she gets pushed?

She should step down and give Violet a chance

Edgware wrote: »

She should step down and give Violet a chance

Imagine Reada versus Violet for the leadership.

Maybe the one who went on holidays during the election will be able to referee the contest. Anti-vaxxer versus anti-semite.

I am so looking forward to their Dail performances. There is plenty of mileage in these idiots.

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Imagine Reada versus Violet for the leadership.

Maybe the one who went on holidays during the election will be able to referee the contest. Anti-vaxxer versus anti-semite.

I am so looking forward to their Dail performances. There is plenty of mileage in these idiots.

People in glass houses any comment from FG on this yet?

https://twitter.com/Alan__Shatter/status/1270636583293726722?s=19

smurgen wrote: »

People in glass houses any comment from FG on this yet?

I am not in Fine Gael, why would I comment?

Let us see the magnificent contribution that Reada and Violet make to the Dail over the coming years, I am so looking forward to it. They are real role models for the new Sinn Fein that is attempting to move on from the bomb-makers and thugs.

You've been shilling for them for months Blanch, and presented with rank stupidity from their ranks refuse to comment.

Pull the other one.

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

I am not in Fine Gael, why would I comment?

Let us see the magnificent contribution that Reada and Violet make to the Dail over the coming years, I am so looking forward to it. They are real role models for the new Sinn Fein that is attempting to move on from the bomb-makers and thugs.

You're in the Greens and you don't comment on them. You're not in SF but you comment on them 24/7. Confusing.

Yurt! wrote: »

You've been shilling for them for months Blanch, and presented with rank stupidity from their ranks refuse to comment.

Pull the other one.

smurgen wrote: »

You're in the Greens and you don't comment on them. You're not in SF but you comment on them 24/7. Confusing.

I don't have to comment on every issue that is raised, particularly the whataboutery stuff that people put up.

I am not a member of the Greens either, just someone who voted for them in the last few elections. If they get the job done during the next five years, I may vote for someone else as priorities change. I do comment on the Green threads but they are often filled with uninformed comment on Green policies.

As for Sinn Fein, this is a Sinn Fein thread, so happy to comment on them here. I don't have to justify that to anyone, particularly as there are a number of more prolific Sinn Fein commenters. You wouldn't be trying to censor opinion that is critical of Sinn Fein, would you?

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't have to comment on every issue that is raised, particularly the whataboutery stuff that people put up.

I am not a member of the Greens either, just someone who voted for them in the last few elections. If they get the job done during the next five years, I may vote for someone else as priorities change. I do comment on the Green threads but they are often filled with uninformed comment on Green policies.

As for Sinn Fein, this is a Sinn Fein thread, so happy to comment on them here. I don't have to justify that to anyone, particularly as there are a number of more prolific Sinn Fein commenters. You wouldn't be trying to censor opinion that is critical of Sinn Fein, would you?

Why would anyone want to censor the type of stuff you and others come out with about SF...it drove votes to SF last time out.
It's similar to Paisley, who was viewed as the best PR that nationalists could get internationally...every reasonable person in the world could see where and what he was coming from.
'May you stay forever'... Green or FG or whatever.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would anyone want to censor the type of stuff you and others come out with about SF...it drove votes to SF last time out.
It's similar to Paisley, who was viewed as the best PR that nationalists could get internationally...every reasonable person in the world could see where and what he was coming from.
'May you stay forever'... Green or FG or whatever.

Good man Francie! Always there to wave the blood soden green flag and push the wretched agenda of Gerry Adams and his Merry Men while justifying their cruel and useless history - and their delusional vision of the future

Sing! Brothers Sing! "A Nation once again" Louder! Sing! SING! "A NATION ONCE AGAIN!" etc etc forever

Galwayguy35

A problem for SF could be that if the next Government get a lot of the problems sorted it will take the wind out their sail a bit because they will have nothing to complain about.

Although it remains to be seen if that will happen or not.

In reality they are probably delighted they couldn't get in to power because the state of the country is very different to what it was last Feb.

Difficult and unpopular decisions will have to be made over the next few years to get things back on track.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would anyone want to censor the type of stuff you and others come out with about SF...it drove votes to SF last time out.
It's similar to Paisley, who was viewed as the best PR that nationalists could get internationally...every reasonable person in the world could see where and what he was coming from.
'May you stay forever'... Green or FG or whatever.

If you think a single post of mine (or anyone else's on here) drove people to vote for Sinn Fein, you are quite deluded. What I or anyone else says on these boards has zero influence of any substance, it is just an entertaining diversion.

I hope nobody is posting 24/7 thinking they can influence anything.