The claim in the 13th that you are parroting is that Nixon's "war on drugs" was in fact a "war on race" so easily disproven.
But Ehrlichman's claim is likely an oversimplification, according to historians who have studied the period and Nixon's drug policies in particular. There's evidence that Ehrlichman felt bitter and betrayed by Nixon after he spent time in prison over the Watergate scandal. More importantly, Nixon's drug policies did not focus on the kind of criminalization that Ehrlichman described. None of that means that the drug war hasn't disproportionately hurt black Americans. It clearly has. But the lessons of Nixon's drug policies may not be so much that he was a racist, power-hungry politician — although, again, he was — but rather that even well-meaning policies can have big, terrible unintended consequences.
2u2me wrote: » It is a perfectly valid statement, but then to present it as fact in a narrative(in the 13th) is disingenuous to say the least, without offering the balance that Ehrlichman has every reason to lie. I've seen things banned on youtube for less.Vox(Far left source) That the 13th then use this claim by Ehrlichman as fact is bordering of obfuscating the truth. Their whole narrative is built upon this. The truth is Nixon's policies had widespread support left and right because of riots like we're seeing. They were happy with more crackdown on drugs afterwards, this has led to more terrible consequences we've seen today. But to say it was a war on blacks is just disgustingly inaccurate.
MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: » "A 911 dispatcher called a Minneapolis Police sergeant over her concern of the way officers were handling the deadly arrest of George Floyd Memorial Day night, according to newly released data from the Minneapolis Police Department. In the phone call with the sergeant, the dispatcher said she was watching the arrest on a live camera feed outside Cup Foods."https://www.fox9.com/news/you-can-call-me-a-snitch-if-you-want-911-dispatcher-concerned-about-george-floyd-arrest-called-mpd-sergeant
Overheal wrote: » Cant reasonable people agree that one of the consequences of this policy was disproportionate incarcerations in black communities given the structure of the criminal penalties and schedules?
2u2me wrote: » Surely all body cameras should be recording and trasmitting all the time. It's a shame that the protestors are calling body cameras racist and they want to eradicate them. Seems to be a backwards step. The more people that know the better.
MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: » what I'm curious about she is saying you can call me a "snitch" if you want, but there is something going on at cups food. She's deliberately getting in contact with the Sargent to say she's seeing something that's not right, is trying to defend herself straight off the bat, weird comment to make for me.
Quantum Erasure wrote: » who's calling for body cams to be dropped?
So what does Campaign Zero want? Here’s their list: End Broken-Windows Policing Community Oversight Limit Use of Force Independent Investigations and Prosecutions Community Representation Body Cams/Film the Police End Policing for Profit Training Demilitarization Fair Police Union Contracts
But tactical differences have emerged between different camps of activists in the seven years since Black Lives Matter first became a national rallying cry. Some activists have adopted a reformist approach, pushing successfully to equip cops with body cameras, require implicit-bias training and encourage community policing.
An end to the mass surveillance of Black communities, and the end to the use of technologies that criminalize and target our communities (including IMSI catchers, drones, body cameras, and predictive policing software).
2u2me wrote: » Demand #7 here was brought up in discussion a while back in other thread.https://archive.fo/dGyqs#selection-423.0-423.219
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » joe also referenced blm having it in their manifesto post #8728 in the first thread
Yeah I agree, I was surprised to see the BLM manifesto looking for body cams to be discontinued. They're only effective if police aren't allowed to conceal or not release footage after an incident.
Black Lives Matter (BLM), the activist group that campaigns against police brutality and racial injustice, have just come out with their plan to help fix the issues that plague police forces up and down the country. Their plan – “Campaign Zero?? – focuses on 10 points where they would like the law to change. They believe that these changes will help stop racial profiling and lessen the dangers everyday citizens face when dealing with the police. To get an idea of what they are asking for we thought we’d provide a breakdown of their plan: 1. End “broken windows” policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones. a. “Broken windows?? policing is the idea that vigorously enforcing small crimes (like vandalism) will prevent larger crimes from happening. This law has allowed police to increase “stop and frisks??, which BLM claims enables racial stereotyping. They argue that Black men and women are unfairly targeted by police using this law as an excuse, and that this policy ultimately led to the death of Eric Garner (remember the guy that was choked to death after he was caught selling loose cigarettes). This is their first point in their plan, and probably the most controversial. 2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face. a. Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased. 3. Make standards for reporting police use of deadly force. a. A lot of reports of police using deadly force aren’t released to the public. This skews the statistics when it comes down to who died by police hands and it leaves the public in the dark about how the police operate. BLM want to standardize the reporting methods and make the whole process more transparent. 4. Independently investigate and prosecute police misconduct. a. Much like point two, BLM doesn’t want the police investigating crimes committed by the police since it’s proven to be a recipe for trouble. Instead, they want an independently run government body to investigate whether or not an officer has violated the law. The short version: if a cop shoots someone, someone other than the cops should look into the case to see if that shooting was lawful. 5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve. a. This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers. 6. Require officers to wear body cameras. a. This policy has already been implemented in several different police forces across the country – and with great success in some cases. However, the debate starts when it comes down to when and why an officer can turn the camera off. For example, you wouldn’t want people watching you when you went for a piss, would you? 7. Provide more training for police officers. a. More training is never a bad thing. Many supporters of BLM believe that a lot of the issues between police officers and citizens have been instigated by rookie cops that are a little too eager to prove themselves in the field, and they feel a little extra training could help that out. 8. End for-profit policing practices. a. This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe?? is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right?? to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could. 9. End the police use of military equipment. a. BLM argues that the police should be working with the community to provide peaceful resolutions to society’s issues and that the use of military equipment shows an intent to abuse their power over citizens. It drives home the Us vs Them mentality. Big guns and body armour = scared citizens. Open dialogue and transparency = happy citizens. 10. Implement police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct. a. So, police unions have a history of protecting police (shocking, I know). Police officers accused of misconduct are no exception, but other members are often discouraged by their unions to speak out against those accused. This can delay convictions and stop valuable information or evidence from coming to light which prevents real justice. While the police need unions to protect their rights, BLM argue that the unions should play their part in weeding out the bad apples. If not, the abuse of power will continue because the bad officers know they can get away with it.
2u2me wrote: » I believe the 'snitches get stiches' culture is prevalent in the police forces, it's why they are so resistant to change. It also pops up in schools, prisons, gang culture. Fair play to that lady for making a call and standing up for what she believed in. I don't think it has anything to do with Cup's foods in particular. Sure look at Snowden he's still being hunted.
Overheal wrote: » Jon Stewart popped back in from the wilderness: “I’d like to say I’m surprised by what happened to [George Floyd], but I’m not. This is a cycle, and I feel that in some ways, the issue is that we’re addressing the wrong problem. We continue to make this about the police — the how of it. How can they police? Is it about sensitivity and de-escalation training and community policing? All that can make for a less-egregious relationship between the police and people of color. But the how isn’t as important as the why, which we never address. The police are a reflection of a society. They’re not a rogue alien organization that came down to torment the black community. They’re enforcing segregation. Segregation is legally over, but it never ended. The police are, in some respects, a border patrol, and they patrol the border between the two Americas. We have that so that the rest of us don’t have to deal with it. Then that situation erupts, and we express our shock and indignation. But if we don’t address the anguish of a people, the pain of being a people who built this country through forced labor — people say, ‘‘I’m tired of everything being about race.’’ Well, imagine how [expletive] exhausting it is to live that.” More extensive interview in linkhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/15/magazine/jon-stewart-interview.html
MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: » Snitches get to stay on the job, while the other loses their job and pension..https://v.redd.it/7t33zra7zx151 I read about this early on the aftermath of George's death, didn't know about the guys continued sh!t behaviour till this clip. Hope she gets her pension!
2u2me wrote: » Yep that's why the police departments are so resistant to change. If you speak out about the any injustices you see it's usually to your detriment. Hope she gets her pension too, it seems disgusting that she got fired for speaking up; even if she's wrong(which I have no idea because haven't seen that video- is it available somewhere?) This is the fine line police are walking now, follow the instructions given to them and they lose their jobs, follow their morales and their principles; they lose their job. They just can't win.
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