Bullocks wrote: » Did he also steal one of their teasers and try to use it on the cop? Chief of police has stood down over it aswell I think
Danzy wrote: » They are trained to triple. Whether they took 1 or 7, he set the train in motion.
Limpy wrote: » Is a car being driven by someone under the influence of drink or drugs considered a lethal weapon?
JJayoo wrote: » From watching the clip and how easy he was throwing the cops around it's pretty clearly they hadn't a clue how to subdue him. Two adult male cops should be able to subdue random drunk guy. I have seen videos of cops getting training at Gracie BJJ schools on the most efficient/safe way to control and detain an individual, this type of training should be mandatory. Need to give the cops the training and tools for the job
weldoninhio wrote: » Police are trained in the proper use of tasers. If this guy was just a big cuddly teddy bear of a person, why did he steal the taser in the first place. Would it make him run faster? Did he think it would impart invisibility on him?? He knew exactly what he was up to. He would have taken down the cops given a chance.
Overheal wrote: » I will have to go look in the after hours archives - yeeeears ago an Irish lad with mental health issues was gunned down by police in Oregon. The natives on here had an utter fit, even though the Irish lad was “playing stupid games” people argued he did not deserve his stupid prize because lo and behold they felt empathy
I Am Nobody wrote: » Just curious after reading up on this event.But why didn't the other officer deploy his taser,since the other officer's one was taken?I know hindsight and all,but surely that other officer would have considered it instead of allowing him to be shot in the back.Or am I confused on the situation?
Overheal wrote: » You have some imagination. How was he going to steal a car and drive it anywhere with the cops right behind him? Any bystander in the drive thru with half a brain cell had their doors locked.
ronivek wrote: » If you can't see the difference between: 1) Planning and executing an armed robbery with multiple AK-47s in the cold light of day (and firing shots at Gardai), and... 2) Fighting with two cops while drunk and they try to handcuff you; then grabbing a tazer and running away in the heat of the moment. Then I don't think there's much more to say.
Danzy wrote: » Hugh was a volunteer engaged in an operation, he knew the risks and accepted them. Brooks knew weapons go both ways as well. Maybe he accepted it but a lot don't.
ronivek wrote: » Some people have a genuine fear of police officers. This guy was both on parole/probation and had numerous negative interactions with police; so whether you consider his perspective justified or not I think most would agree he was afraid of the consequences of the encounter. Add alcohol and whatever other substances he may have been on to the mix and nobody really knows what kind of state of mind he was in. However there would have been zero issue if the officers were trained and skilled enough to subdue him correctly in the first place. People resisting arrest is not a new thing; it happens regularly and they should be able to deal with it appropriately without having to resort to lethal force.
lawrencesummers wrote: » They are also trained to only use force when there is an imminent threat to life.
lawrencesummers wrote: » God forbid anyone points a nerf gun or a water pistol at you someday.
Danzy wrote: » He took a shot, they took one back. He lost. Pity he didn't drop it and accept the consequences but his choice.
punisher5112 wrote: » Eh no he still had the weapon and it can be used again and again and .......
Overheal wrote: » He took one non lethal shot they took three lethal shots You can’t even stick to the basic facts??
Mattdhg wrote: » https://youtu.be/DOiKgmCJwls To be fair, it does look like the police were being reasonable enough until he started to struggle with the arrest. I guess the racism itself might come into play there as we've all been in situations where there was a nod and a wink and you're told to be on your way carefully. They could have handled the arrest a bit smoother all the same, like talking more about it before going to handcuff him. For anyone who doesn't want to watch the body cam footage, he says he was at his daughters birthday and his girlfriend dropped him back to the parking lot to drive himself home. He says he fell asleep in the car because he wasn't feeling well, and claims to have only drank 1.5 margaritas. He said he could just walk to his sisters house and to forget about the charge etc, but after a breathalyser they go to arrest him...
ronivek wrote: » What? You're saying you're critical of the shooting dead of Hugh Hehir; the IRA terrorist whose gang fired shots from an AK-47 at Gardai during the commission of an armed robbery? But not some guy who failed to successfully use a taser and was running away from police?
vetinari wrote: » There are two points that get raised again and again here that are completely bad faith arguments. 1) A taser could have killed or seriously injured the cop. The people arguing this don't really believe this. They probably have no issue with a cop using a taser. 2) The US has far more guns so this police stop is totally different to Ireland. The police in his situation had done a pat down for weapons. Brooks might still have had a weapon hidden on him but now within easy reach. The cop who shot him knew it was a taser that was being pointed at him. Disturbingly there are a lot of people here to view shooting someone as justifiable if they aim a taser at you.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Posters keep repeating that he “fired at police” while conveniently omitting that he fired and missed with a non lethal weapon It’s the same if he had thrown a knife, or a bat, or a rock. Sure that could kill but in reality it doesn’t.
Danzy wrote: » I got banned from politics ie for pointing out that the killer of Hugh Hehir, being so **** to that man's partner caught up with him.
