marno21 wrote: » Still an improvement on the “capital projects are you having a laugh?” attitude of the Kenny/Noonan days though.
namloc1980 wrote: » "prioritising plans for the delivery of...." sounds awfully wishy-washy and is very much non committal.
CatInABox wrote: » Looks like Dart Underground might be back on the menu. Wonder if they're going with "interconnector" to avoid any negative connotations that Dart Underground has. It's the first official mention of it in ages, but I can't imagine that it'd be bumped up the schedule massively. Metrolink and the Dart Expansion are obviously far closer to a start point than any interconnector, but I think that we might see some changes to the Dart Expansion plan based upon the commitment to do the interconnector, such as moving the Docklands station down to the quays where the DU station was going to be.
cgcsb wrote: » This was on the cards (a few whispers) pre covid as a bit of a side-show to DART expansion, but I'd expect some design issue has pushed the costs too high for a short term win project.
CatInABox wrote: » It's the first official mention of it in ages, but I can't imagine that it'd be bumped up the schedule massively. Metrolink and the Dart Expansion are obviously far closer to a start point than any interconnector, but I think that we might see some changes to the Dart Expansion plan based upon the commitment to do the interconnector, such as moving the Docklands station down to the quays where the DU station was going to be.
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gjim wrote: » I don't like to get personal but your fixation with having an underground station at College Green is weird/unhealthy. You've posted thousands of messages advocating either a DU or metro stop at this location both on the old Archiseek forum and on here over a period of 10 to 20 years. In that time, I have never seen you change anyone's opinion on this matter. Does the fact that in all those years and with all that writing that you've yet to convince a single person not make you wonder a bit? I mean I can't knock your effort and perseverance but come on man - it's time to let it go ffs.
strassenwo!f wrote: » And I should say that I'd have no major problem with a DART Underground route going via Tara Street. It, like College Green, is pretty much in the centre of the city. College Green has advantages like the fact that is hopefully going to be pedestrianised and could be a wonderful space, still retaining a major public transport function, and would probably allow the most efficient passenger uptake in the entire city. Tara Street wouldn't be as good, in terms of efficiency of passenger uptake, but it could still be pretty good. I'd broadly welcome it.
CatInABox wrote: » This feckin thread... jaysus.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » The Tara Street - SSG East route is better because when/if built, it immediately has an interchange with the existing heavy rail network at Tara Street. This is one of the basic requirements for the design. Your route, OCS – CG – SSG, has no interchange with the existing heavy rail network in the city centre. Instead it relies on another project for which there is no design and not even on the funding list to provide an interchange with only one of the two heavy rail lines it will create.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Why spend a couple of billion on your Metro route only to have to wait decades for the building of another €Xbn tunnel to provide half the connectivity of what the Metrolink route will provide from day it opens. Anyone with half a brain can see why the Metrolink route, not yours, is being pursued. You can continue to waffle all you like but you won’t convince anyone, your suggestion makes no sense! You describing something, anything, as total rubbish is beyond laughable given what you post.
Consonata wrote: » By your own (rather optimistic) timeline, the earliest at which Dart Undergound could be in the mid to late 2030s if not into the 2040s. Metrolink as is planned at the moment is projected to finish at 2027. So for the first 10 years of operation at least Metrolink won't have any heavy rail connection under your plan south of Drumcondra for the added benefits of having a station at CG and Grafton st. (CG which is a 12 minute walk at best from Tara St. Station, and SSG/Grafton a 5 minute walk from SSG East.) What are the benefits here and are they worth at least 10 years worth of substandard service?
strassenwo!f wrote: » But if the DART Underground has not been completely taken off the table, then we should perhaps hold on, in the hope that a more sensible, St. Stephen's Green West future, with a direct, pretty much traffic-free St. Stephen's Green -(College Green) - O'Connell Bridge link, leaving it right adjaccent to the LUAS, may lie ahead.
strassenwo!f wrote: » Now, Pete, please let's be honest. Under the old plan, with the interconnector going to St. Stephen's Green, it was perfectly feasible to have the Metro station being built under St. Stephen's Green West - the LUAS/Fitzwilliam Hotel side. The side that ABP approved. The side that would have enabled a very good interchange with the LUAS, the side with almost no traffic. Yes...that side. Now, since the DART Underground is not, apparently, going to be built, it is now necessary to go to Tara Street to achieve the same interchange with the Northern Line that would have been achieved under the old Metro/DART plan at St. Stephen's Green. As a result, there has to now be a Tara Street - St. Stephen's Green East route. There is no alternative but to build the metro to St.Stephen's Green East. And now we hear that it's better than the route approved by ABP? If it's better, how come we never heard any of that, and how come ABP never heard any of that when they were doing their hearings? Total rubbish.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » This has been explained to you many times already so I will try to keep this brief. Going from OCS to SSG East (where it has been decided is the optimum location for the station there in terms of ease of construction and minimising disruption) requires the tunnel to swing to the east to get into the right alignment at SSG. Having a station at Tara Street makes sense, the tunnel is going under it anyway, no additional length. If you think there is “faffing around” at Tara, it is nothing compared to the ****show that would be digging up both CG and SSG park! Going OCS – CG – SSG with Metrolink does not allow a direct interchange with the current heavy rail network so lots not to like there. Having the future Maynooth – Bray/Greystones DART interchange with Metrolink at Glasnevin rather than city centre, again lots not to like. It makes no sense, with or \ without DU. You have been given your own thread for peddling your nonsense, you should stick to that.
donvito99 wrote: » Your train of thought is more circuitous than either DU or ML (still don't know which one you're talking about) could ever be.
strassenwo!f wrote: » Is this news to you, that the metrolink is currently proposing an OCS-Tara St - St. Stephen's Green route?
strassenwo!f wrote: » It's a DART Expansion thread, mainly, and the DART Underground is ufortunately peripheral at this stage.
donvito99 wrote: » No one of sound mind would call an adjustment to the route 200m east to allow for an improved Dart interchange "circuitous". You're trolling what is a Dart Underground thread at this point. EDIT: He deleted his latest post. Good.
