ohnonotgmail wrote: » a non-lethal weapon.
Granadino wrote: » It's obvious that if someone lays a hand or tries to take a weapon off a police officer in the USA, it's game over. It's either death or a serious hiding. They always seem to approach a crime scene or suspect full on. Screaming/shouting/excessive force etc. Maybe that's just the way it is, as it means they try and rule out the risk of getting injured themselves. But they seem to apply this scenario for anyone a lot of the time. e.g. this guy was boozed up, struggled with the police. He ran off with a tazer gun, so is it in the police manual that if someone resists arrest and runs, you're allowed shoot them and are allowed shoot to kill? Worse case scenario, the cop gets shot with a tazer. It's hardly death, the guy was running away, his car was left behind. I mean, all they needed to do was call in a backup car, or just wait until the morning and pick him up. He's then done for resisting arrest, stealing a weapon, DUI etc. There's absolutely no need for what happened.
Donald Trump wrote: » In Ireland you would likely be done for being found asleep in the drivers seat of a car while drunk if you have the keys in your possession In many US states you could be similarly convicted.
Mrsmum wrote: » For general law and order, there has to be some sense of people, even if unarmed, understanding they cannot run from cops too though. Is it not the fear of being shot that makes alot of people put their hands up in these situations and worse ones. Otherwise sure why would anyone stay and face the music. They would all just run without a bother on them.
joe40 wrote: » I'm not going to slag of the cops because he got away. But the guy does not deserve death because he resisted arrest and got away. There has to be proportionality in police actions.
punisher5112 wrote: » Stop making it out like he done nothing, many on here commenting and not even looking at all the footage. He was wrong, he shouldn't have fought the 2 officers, he shouldn't have hit them and taken their taser, he tried to use it against them also, he ran but so do many and look at how many will kill anyone to get away..... He could have gotten into a car with people inside, used the taser, he could also have a knife or actually have a gun as they hadn't searched him.... I know what way I would have done it and that's absolutely no different and those two officers were professional to the end. He chose to do what he did. 3 shots were fired doesn't mean all hit their target either. I'd actually love to see you all hating thrown into a similar scenario or he'll even a training centre for officers and see what they have to put up with.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » and tasers are not a deadly weapon. shooting somebody in the back while they are running away with a non-lethal weapon is not an appropriate response.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » so the police should just shoot them in the back if they run away?
Joe Columbo wrote: » Cops in America know that guns are extremelly prevalent within American society so when they have to deal with someone they have to be aware for the potential for a gun being pulled on them and as a result are going to be a lot more jumpy and make more mistakes than a guard in Ireland who knows 99.9% of people will be unarmed and the can be comfortable in dealing with them. It's understandable there are so many police shootings in the USA when you have such a violent society. Black people tend to live in poor urban areas and poverty combined with high population density tends to add up to crime so it's understandable that more black people end up getting involved with and shot by cops because they are going to have more interaction with them due to where they live. Cops like most people just care about getting home alive each day so expecting them to be extremely calm and rational when someone points a weapon at them is ridiculous, it must be an unbelievably stressful job. Cops in America are too violent and this needs to stop but the population is too violent also and a violent population is going to result in a violent police force. There are root causes of the issue that are being ignored and it would be more responsible of the media to allow some nuance in there coverage and not the pathetic rabble rousing they have indulged in thus far.
Mrsmum wrote: » Circular argument. The answer to that is they wouldn't be shot if they obeyed a police order to stop.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » Worse case scenario is he kills someone else, an innocent bystander. THATS the worse case scenario. No such thing as not shooting to kill, no police force trains to aim to injure. US policing mirrors the US as a whole. Turn on the TV, they are a very full on, all or nothing violent people.
joe40 wrote: » I take your point, probably the main problem is the massive inequality that exists, which disproportionately affects black communities. Poor education, poor health care, poor mental health support, no social welfare. And of course gun control. They're all long term problem that America does not seem to be able to get a handle on. Police brutality is another problem and obviously violent crime is a factor but how many controversial deaths have we seen where the police were not in danger but still killed someone. They're not all down to over anxious nervous cops. Even some of the ways protestors were handled show that a police mentality that is far too macho and aggressive. It's simply not working and is totally counterproductive. The police are not the only issue but the way some police behave and they are part of the problem.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » he was searched for weapons. he had none.
Ardent wrote: » Just watched the Atlanta mayor on CNN. She is an example of the worst type of lily-livered, populist political ladder climber. Talking about "rooting" for Brooks and "just let him go". Boll®cks - you don't make up the rules retrospectively. Give the officers the decency of a full investigation - lots of video evidence to justify their actions - before throwing them under a bus to save your own political skin. If I was a member of the Atlanta PD I would be seriously considering an organised walkout
punisher5112 wrote: » No he wasn't, they had just tried to cuff him and he ran, they tend to search when in cuffs, simple really the footage is there. He could have a gun or knife down his pants. If this is how the cops were to carry themselves then we would be looking at a lot more killed on duty.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » No such offence in Ireland. Dunno about the US.
Niner leprauchan wrote: » Not in the footage I saw, The footage on CNN which includes the restaurants CCTV shows hims point the taser at police and then get shot. He wasnt just running away, he was aiming a weapon at police. Thats the facts. Thats the footage. The steps of force escalation are simple, you start small and go up as needed. They tried just handcuffing, they tried physical retraint, then taser and lastly, they used lethal. Thats the force continuum and is similar here as well. The difference being that the average cop here cant escalate to a firearm and therefore cant be expected to as part of the system. Our system is at that stage to call for armed support for an armed suspect while maintaining personal safety and that of the public. Gardai are expected to try and stop a suspect fleeing. They are expected to try and stop an armed suspect if possible. Armed Gardai can shoot someone dead if they are threatened with a weapon. They wont wait until someone actually shoots them. Again, different country with different rules and thankfully a lot less fatalities on both sides. You do now understand that a taser can be lethal and used more than once yes? I assume you have googled that now? Heres the footage I watched: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/14/us/rayshard-brooks-videos-final-moments/index.html
Rolfe asked Brooks to step out of the car at 10:02 p.m. according to bodycam timestamps. He asked to do a weapons pat-down on Brooks, which Brooks consented to. Rolfe didn’t appear to find any weapons. Rolfe then performed two field sobriety tests on Brooks
joe40 wrote: » Nobody said that at all. I think everybody acknowledges that if the police man's life was at risk then shooting is appropriate. In this instance the guy way running away, he was not confronting them, he had already escaped. The weapon he pointed was their taser they knew it was a taser. He took it from the cop. There would be outrage in Ireland if the same situation played out and we do value Garda lives. And since he has been sacked the policeman didn't comply with American standards of policing
ohnonotgmail wrote: » he was searched for weapons. https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-culture-articles/what-we-know-so-far-about-the-killing-of-rayshard-brooks/
Donald Trump wrote: » Just because you are not aware of something does not mean it is not true.http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2010/act/25/section/5/enacted/en/html
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