froog wrote: » do you think if the guy in the US was white he would still have been shot dead?
AbusesToilets wrote: » What would have happened if he hadn't attacked two cops?
AbusesToilets wrote: » The hoops folks are jumping through here to justify the actions of a pretty ****ty person are astounding.
Donald Trump wrote: » If he was "white" and resisted arrest, ran away and fired the taser at the cop, yeah I reckon he'd have been shot. The main difference, had he been white, would be that you wouldn't hear about the story in Ireland and there wouldn't be a thread on it on boards.ie
Danzy wrote: » Statistical evidence shows us he would be more likely to be shot dead.
NotMOL wrote: » You are missing the point which has been made a million times ITT, Ireland and America are completely different when it comes to guns. Cops are regularly shot at and killed in America. Also you and others defending him keeping leaving out the point were he was drunk behind the wheel, you make it seem like he was just having a nap outside the burger shop
froog wrote: » i admire your optimism, i don't share that confidence. and yeah, if the guy was white it wouldn't be a story. because black people are much more likely to be shot dead than white people and it's a few weeks after a white cop murdered an unarmed black guy on camera while 3 of his buddies stood by.
Pythagorean wrote: » The journal .ie had a recent report about Garda detectives surrounded by 15 youths who attacked them, and tried to throw them under an approaching car. One of the detectives said that he felt that one of the assailants had attempted to take his gun. So we in this country may not be as immune to these situations as we might like to think we are.
Rows Grower wrote: » And most black people are shot dead by other black people, not by white cops, not by white people.
Danzy wrote: » He was in the drive thru lane, asleep, drunk at the wheel.
froog wrote: » i think you're confusing me with another poster. the guy clearly drunk drove, resisted arrest and stole the cops taser. also has previous convictions. he deserved to be arrested and jailed/prosecuted. he didn't deserve to be shot dead.
Granadino wrote: » Why not just let him run? Where was he going to get to? His car was left behind. They had that. Stupid American cop over reaction.
Non solum non ambulabit wrote: » This is what I don't get. Why are US cops so intent on shooting and wrestling with guys that are attempting to escape when 1). They know who he is and 2). They know he is no threat to anyone and can be picked up in the morning. Every day simple policing situations get blown up into fatal events that destroy lives on both sides for nothing. These cops are obviously very poorly trained.
Non solum non ambulabit wrote: » This is what I don't get. Why are US cops so intent on shooting and wrestling with guys that are attempting to escape when 1). They know who he is and 2). They know he is no threat to anyone and can be picked up in the morning. Every day simple policing situations get blown up into fatal events that destroy lives on both sides for nothing. These cops are obviously very poorly trained. The victim is often white. My comments are not race related.
froog wrote: » what the hell has that got to do with anything? we're talking about deaths of people by police. the guys who are entrusted with keeping people safe and given lethal weapons to perform that function.
declanflynn wrote: » I'd say this will be used an example of how not to handle a situation in future training for cops
Non solum non ambulabit wrote: » This is what I don't get. Why are US cops so intent on shooting and wrestling with guys that are attempting to escape when 1). They know who he is and 2). They know he is no threat to anyone and can be picked up in the morning. Every day simple policing situations get blown up into fatal events that destroy lives on both sides for nothing.These cops are obviously very poorly trained. The victim is often white. My comments are not race related.
NIMAN wrote: » The Daniel Shaver video/murder from 2016 has been getting a lot of attention in recent times. Shows just how power hungry and ruthless many US cops are. They seem to have a terrible mindset, and many probably are psychopaths and like the thrill of shooting people. That video for me is shocking, and even more shocking is the fact that the judge did not prosecute the killer. Only in America. What a sh1thole.
Rows Grower wrote: » Why?
froog wrote: » he died.
ExMachina1000 wrote: » The sooner they start ignoring calls into black neighborhoods the better for everyone. Its win win
Donald Trump wrote: » Have you ever even visited the US? If I was given the choice between being an unarmed guard in Ireland and a cop with a gun in the US, from a purely safety perspective, I'd choose the former any day of the week. BTW, you can look at this graph if you want.https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ It's not a competition btw. Just a messed up overall system due to the prevalence of guns.
froog wrote: » this is one of the root problems. police training time varies across different US states, but can be as short as a few weeks. most other countries it's years. coupled with the fact that people like derek chauvin 1. got into the police and 2. stayed there after repeated complaints and violations and you have a real **** show. not to mention hardcore police unions making it impossible to enact any kind of meaningful change.
