TaurenDruid wrote: » If you think it's normal for a) people to own Lamnorghinis, and b) for them to tear around city streets like it was a racetrack, then you've a pretty screwed up view of the average motorist and where the dangers to the average pedestrian, cyclist and driver arise from. Not a blatant lie. Do not accuse me of being a liar. I posted about cyclists on the phone. You replied with some uber-pedantry about a phone attached to handlebars meaning the cyclist wasn't using it.
07Lapierre wrote: » So much wrong with this!
Why do you assume all RTA’s are car on car?
A helmet is feck all use to a cyclist hit by a car at 50kph never mind 200!
railer201 wrote: » Phones on handlebars my ass, hands off handlebars and txting away - seen it quite a few times unfortunately. BTW I've no problems in criticising car drivers either, but it seems that side of things is being adequately taken care of on this thread.
SeanW wrote: » WTF are you talking about? :eek: I never said they were - indeed I explicitly pointed to car on lorry collisions in my refutation. I never said that it would be, just better than nothing.
TaurenDruid wrote: » Indeed. I see it every day when I'm out, and I'll even admit a huge proportion of it is food delivery and bike couriers (I walk past a lot of food places and a couple of courier congregation points), but it's ordinary cyclists too. And yes, a significant number of drivers do it all the time, too. Which I just don't get. No need for it.
SeanW wrote: » Yet you have given zero evidence or even suggested good cause to think that this might be the case!
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Anyway, back to the topic of obstructions on pavements
SeanW wrote: » I know for a fact that a motorist is going to have a wide variety of safety systems. Seat belts. Airbags, crumple zones. ABS. Traction control systems. etc. I doubt your bike has any of that, hence the suggestion (from some, I don't really care) that cyclists should compensate by wearing a helmet, so that there's something between their skull and the pavement or a wall if the worst should occur. I also know that the accidents where motor users die tend to occur at very high velocity. Things like head-on collisions which can occur at 200kph (more if one of the drivers was speeding) resulting in both cars being smashed into a million pieces, or accidents involving between cars and lorries that result in the car being flattened like a pancake. If YOU wish to assert that motorists wearing helmets will make a blind bit of difference in such cases, it is for YOU to provide evidence for that case. Yet you have given zero evidence or even suggested good cause to think that this might be the case!
If you're in a car and an accident is bad enough that your seat belt and airbag don't protect you, a helmet wouldn't make any difference. That's why motorists don't wear them.
TaurenDruid wrote: » If you think it's normal for a) people to own Lamnorghinis, and b) for them to tear around city streets like it was a racetrack, then you've a pretty screwed up view of the average motorist and where the dangers to the average pedestrian, cyclist and driver arise from.
TaurenDruid wrote: » Not a blatant lie. Do not accuse me of being a liar. I posted about cyclists on the phone. You replied with some uber-pedantry about a phone attached to handlebars meaning the cyclist wasn't using it.
SeanW wrote: » I know for a fact that a motorist is going to have a wide variety of safety systems. Seat belts. Airbags, crumple zones. ABS. Traction control systems. etc. I doubt your bike has any of that, hence the suggestion (from some, I don't really care) that cyclists should compensate by wearing a helmet, so that there's something between their skull and the pavement or a wall if the worst should occur.
SeanW wrote: » If YOU wish to assert that motorists wearing helmets will make a blind bit of difference in such cases, it is for YOU to provide evidence for that case. Yet you have given zero evidence or even suggested good cause to think that this might be the case!
AndrewJRenko wrote: » The Lamborghini is a bit unusual all right, but treating the city streets like a racetrack isn't really that rare unfortunately. It is an absolute blatant lie. What you said was;https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113724339&postcount=976 "Andrew told us, he never sees cyclists with phones! Wait, sorry, let me rephrase... never sees cyclists using a phone to make a telephone call or to text or possibly to use some other app while cycling, because if you have a phone in an armband or attached to your handlebars you have a phone but you're not using it " What I had said was;https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113664723&postcount=766 "Really not that common in my experience. I have seen it, and I have cringed, because I know if I tried it, I'd end up with a smashed phone. The Deliveroo guys often have the phone mounted on the bars or in a harness on their arm." So you said that I've never seen it, when I actually said the opposite, I said that I had seen it, though it's not that common in my experience. I said I've often seen the Deliveroo guys with it mounted, though I didn't make any comment about whether this was safe or legal. So yeah, a big fat lie. And yet for all those safety systems, still far more people are killed in cars than on bikes - so surely there is room for more, something like the F1 drivers or rally drivers would use. Alternatively, perhaps you'd like to come up with some actual evidence that cycle helmets save lives for cyclists in Ireland? One way or other would be great.
magicbastarder wrote: » huh, you really have a thing about cyclists. for the record, if you were to browse the cycling forum here, you'd happily find that the above assumption is nothing more than ill-intentioned spite. the more cyclists there are on the road, the safer it makes the roads for all other cyclists.
SeanW wrote: » What are the odds some of those cyclists twiddling with their mobile phones are on boards or social media complaining about motorists?
meeeeh wrote: » Thats not true. I have nothing against cyclists, I was delighted when I saw more older people, teenagers and families on the bike. But there are certain type of attitudes that I can't stand and they are all displayed in this thread. I wouldn't be surprised if personal messages or mentions in cycling forum were posted so as many as possible would show up in here to slap each other's backs. Personally I even have no issues with cyclists on the pavements of they ard empty I even go on them myself sometimes when cycling with kids. If there are no people there it allows cars get by faster and in that way nobody is inconvenienced. However there is no point discussing something like that because testosterone in this thread would just drown any nuances. I don't define myself as cyclists as I don't define myself as walker, runer or a driver however I do all of it. You won't put me off cycling but if I wasn't cycling already you are certainly not making it attractive with your attitude.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » And let me guess - no hi-vis markings on the vehicle at all? Fair play to you for spotting it, I don't know how anyone can be expected to see anything on the road unless it is completely wrapped in hi-vis.
meeeeh wrote: » I wouldn't be surprised if personal messages or mentions in cycling forum were posted so as many as possible would show up in here to slap each other's backs.
Thargor wrote: » Since the start of lockdown there has been nothing but 100% positive posts on the Cycling and Commuting/Transport boards in regards to seeing so many kids and their parents and grandparents out on their bikes, not a single post from a "cyclist" complaining about it. Across multiple threads its regarded as the best thing to happen for cycling ever in this country with everyone hoping it lasts and celebrating every government and council initiative to keep it going and build on it. You are talking through your hole.
Thargor wrote: » Since the start of lockdown there has been nothing but 100% positive posts on the Cycling and Commuting/Transport boards in regards to seeing so many kids and their parents and grandparents out on their bikes, not a single post from a "cyclist" complaining about it.
meeeeh wrote: » Maybe I'm wrong and potential cyclists you are trying to persuade
meeeeh wrote: » Where did I say there was? You are inventing things now because you just can't accept anyone would find dissmissive, arrogant posts in this thread off-putting. It does help that even someone like me who doesn't pay attention to poster names and doesn't really follow cycling forums except when one of the grand tours is on knows exactly what AndrewJRenko's posta will be about. Metal killer machines, hi viz for cars, drivers killing people, helmets, one tone killer machine, a random picture and another mention of drivers killing people... Anyway you don't need to persuade me more cycling is good because I already believe that. Maybe I'm wrong and potential cyclists you are trying to persuade will think your approach is great.
meeeeh wrote: » (The sad truth is that if more people start cycling you will absolutely hate it because pensioners will be too slow and pesky kids will be taking up space on the cycling paths.)
Thargor wrote: » Oh sorry, another one who seems to forget what they posted a few minutes beforehand, heres your original words for reference:
meeeeh wrote: » I wrote 'will' not 'are' hating it. There is a big difference between loving something in principle or actually liking it when you find yourself in a group of cyclists who cycle slower than you want them to. Impact like that can't be judged at a time when everyone is stuck at home.
Thargor wrote: » Sigh... Everyones not stuck at home though are they? They're all out on their bikes since the start of lockdown, which as was explained to you has been celebrated 100% by all the evil "pro" cyclists on here, do feel free to post any examples of people complaining about all the pensioners and pesky kids on their bikes that you find now and in future though.
meeeeh wrote: » You are right going out for your recreational cycle in lockdown is exactly the same as rush hour traffic. Silly me.
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