munsterlegend wrote: » It’s a different jurisdiction. The country really is the U.K. of which the north is part of but FIFA/uefa given the traditions let 4 teams compete. Of course you deliberately avoid having to admit that you would not support athletes from the north who represent Ireland in the Olympics.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No it isn't. Bigotry and sectarianism is NOT a legitimate expression of someone's identity no matter how much they might enjoy it or how much others might insist they be allowed to express it. It is the stuff they need to leave behind in the past where it belongs.
downcow wrote: » The big news of today is that monsterlegend was not concentrating and minding his Ps & Qs. Oh Deary me, look what he just said when he was not concentrating. It has been laborious at times today but I am so pleased to see that he recognises that when people from my country play for the Republic of Ireland they are playing for 'another country' Maybe we are not as far apart as I thought
munsterlegend wrote: » The team of this Island in rugby is Ireland. You want them to lose. They represent you whether you want to ignore that or not. Chelsea are based in London and no where near the north. The comparison is irrelevant. You also by the same logic want all athletes from the north in the Olympics games who represent Ireland to fail. It’s a very very small minded attitude. We supported sports people such as Carl frampton Alex Higgins and Wayne McCullough and never batted an eyelid. I pity the toxicity that you can’t escape from.
downcow wrote: » Your policy is collapsing!
FrancieBrady wrote: » When it engages in bigotry and sectarianism, it is. That has nothing to do with 'expression of identity'. It is an expression of outdated and criminal ideologies and dogma though.
downcow wrote: » Monsterlegend you just do not get. Do you? Their background is absolutely irrelevant. What is relevant is if they play for the team I support. If it helps you get your head around it. I support Chelsea (loosely). If they were playing against a team who had a Northern Ireland player on the team, I would still want Chelsea to win, but I would want that player to have a great performance for the other team. Is that really so strange?
CBear1993 wrote: » Did you want to see Martin succeed as ROI manager though during his term?
munsterlegend wrote: » The point is obvious. You said the north supports its sports people as much as the republic. I stated that some sports people who were born and raised in the north play for another country in football. You also stated you hope people from the north on the Irish rugby team lose their match. I presume this also applies to all Olympic athletes who represent Ireland? It’s very sad that you wish your fellow northern citizens defeat.
downcow wrote: » Well I regularly hear many of your countrymen referred to the Orange order has the KKK
munsterlegend wrote: » He wants Players from A Protestants/unionist background who play rugby for Ireland to lose so I’d say Martin stands little chance of support in his republic role!
FrancieBrady wrote: » I have seen young fellas sport the swaztika too downcow. If it is wrong, then it is wrong and taunting and demeaning and not the expression of an identity. A British and Irish identity are legitimate identities and therefore should be allowed happen. Unless you are comparing the British identity or Irish one to that of the Confederates or the Nazis?
CBear1993 wrote: » Would you have been behind Martin O’Neill downcow? Played for the north, proud coleraine man (involved with Eoghan rua GAA) And went on to manage the republic alongside Keano...
downcow wrote: » An awful lot of people were warm to the Confederate flag through the dukes of hazard etc with absolutely no knowledge of how it demeaned black people, myself included. I even had the Dixie airhorns on my car as an 18-year-old. Your policy is quite clear. The fact that I meant absolutely no offence to anyone would mean that I could have continued unchallenged. Just accept Francie that it is a nonsense policy. Whilst the intention makes it worse, not having the intention does not mean it should be accepted and ignored.
downcow wrote: » It is very difficult to discuss with you because you go off on these silly meanders. I do not see anything strange about me not shouting for James McClean. Nor do I find it strange if you decide not to shout for Declan Rice when he plays his next international. Indeed I would be surprised if either of these cases were any different I have no idea what point you're making
downcow wrote: » OK, that makes sense, but I'm not really sure what this point is
munsterlegend wrote: » Trust you to try and twist things. James mcclean Shane Duffy to name but a few but you knew that. Imagine not shouting for sports people born And raised where you are from who represent you, it’s not healthy downcow.
CBear1993 wrote: » Think he meant James McClean, Shane Duffy etc
downcow wrote: » Are you referring to Jack Grealish or Declan Rice? They are slightly different cases
munsterlegend wrote: » Yeah some of the people even leave to play for another country. You won’t even shout for the islands rugby team which includes fellow citizens. Are you having a laugh?
munsterlegend wrote: » Why dont you answer about the IFA specifically not fixing league games for a Sunday? Both anthems are for all supporters. Ireland’s call is an anthem specifically designed for rugby. Despite how appalling a piece of music it is people buy into it given its purpose.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The Confederacy itself is a taunt to black people not to even mention the flag. There is NO comparison to a language...i.e. a bull**** juxtaposition. I didn't say anything goes.
downcow wrote: » I know a place. Northern Ireland
downcow wrote: » So now you're telling me that two anthems are played, one for the Northern representatives and one for the south. I think you have lost the plot. That is what you said isn't it?
