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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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Cops called because a guy was asleep in his car in the queue for a drive through.
Failed field sobriety test.
Tussled with cops.
Shot and killed.
Looks on the outset like another use of excessive Force by police, but there is so much more wrong with it.

One cop has been fired and the other is Put on leave.

Firing somebody that immediately and without due process is probably in a bid to quell the protests - (but it hasn’t) But it can’t be right, surely these matters need investigation, statements and the a just decision, which may well be dismissal / charges filed etc.

There is a big risk of the authorities in the USA actually losing their own police force if they don’t maintain the law and order and due process that everyone deserves. Has the cop in this instance actually violated the procedures That are given to him for arresting people? If a cop needs to be fired then fine, fire hundreds of them but only after due process.

RIP the victim, On his daughters birthday apparently.

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lawred2

weldoninhio wrote: »

I haven’t been drinking or passing out.

be a lot of dead people based on your policing intuitions

joe40

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

God you're right, better to kill him.

They had his keys, they could have lifted his car or got it towed.
Everyone in America is entitled to carry a gun and you're worried that he has a taser.

Sorry but those arguments make no sense.

frag420

Lets play a game, its called...

Guess the colour of the guy in this incident who did the exact same thing as Rayshard Brooksnot not three days ago in that he broke a police officers radio while throwing him into a ditch and took another police officers taser and shooting it at him... but was not murdered....and all while be wheeled into an ambulance(not in cuffs mind,

he was white

)

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehighvalley/bethlehem-man-allegedly-disarms-officer-of-taser-during-struggle/article_f001c08e-ac1c-11ea-837c-775197e66788.html

weldoninhio

lawred2 wrote: »

sure you could do that later this evening

I haven’t been drinking or passing out.

weldoninhio

Rows Grower wrote: »

There was another lad earlier today wanted to know why he wasn't just shot in the leg.

Lads watching too much Die Hard

lawred2

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

sure you could do that later this evening

[Deleted User]

False Prophet wrote: »

They know he hasn't a gun.

How will he steal your gun when your not on your own? wouldnt the 2nd policeman still be able to shoot him if you got tasered and he goes for your gun?

I shoot him, another policeman shoots him, he still gets shot?

weldoninhio

joe40 wrote: »

He resisted arrest and got away from the police. They would have been far better off to let him run. They knew who he was they had his car. Where was he going to go.

De escalation is not letting people off it is simply smarter policing.

Imagine today they could be calling to his house and arresting him for resisting arrest.
He would still be alive, the cops would still have their jobs, and Justice would still be served.

Instead look at the sh*tshow that has unfolded.

And I would be accused of been anti police and anti law and order.
Why don't people just look at how other countries handle law and order.
No other developed nation does policing like the US.

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

False Prophet

bubblypop wrote: »

America is totally different to Ireland, if you have to deal with any issues, always having to consider that the person you are dealing with has a gun, & may well use it, then you think completely differently to a member of AGS here.

Laws are different, protocols are different.

However, if someone tried to take my Taser or Taser me, then I believe I am justified in shooting him. Primarily because there is an issue for my life or the life of others. Perhaps he will steal my firearm after he has tasered me?

They know he hasn't a gun.

How will he steal your gun when your not on your own? wouldnt the 2nd policeman still be able to shoot him if you got tasered and he goes for your gun?

Sarcozies

How many lives could be saved by teaching not resisting arrest? When a cop is arresting you, it's not debate time. There is no choice. If you feel you are being wrongly arrested, racially profiled etc. you aren't going to win over the minds at be of this fact by resisting arrest. You go to the station, get a lawyer and sue the **** out of the police.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nowhere in Europe does Mr. Brooks end up dead in that situation.

That's the point.
Society in the USA has brought about this situation, it wouldn't happen in Europe, most likely & most probably would not happen in Ireland.
But that's not because the police are better or worse in any jurisdiction, it's because of the society that offenders & police have grown up in & live in.

weldoninhio

Akrasia wrote: »

He wasn’t driving. he was asleep in a car that was parked in a car park

If the cops had a bit of cop on, they would have given him a warning instead of arresting him

How did the car get into the queue for the drivethru??

Rows Grower

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fcuking hell. A warning shot?? It’s not Hollywood.

There was another lad earlier today wanted to know why he wasn't just shot in the leg.

False Prophet

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fcuking hell. A warning shot?? It’s not Hollywood.

Warning shots are used by various police forces across the world. Of course it's not best policy as you might harm someone else or yourself but my point was that they jumped to 3 shots to kill instead of other options

[Deleted User]

Nowhere in Europe does Mr. Brooks end up dead in that situation.

frag420

joe40 wrote: »

He resisted arrest and got away from the police. They would have been far better off to let him run. They knew who he was they had his car. Where was he going to go.

De escalation is not letting people off it is simply smarter policing.

Imagine today they could be calling to his house and arresting him for resisting arrest.
He would still be alive, the cops would still have their jobs, and Justice would still be served.

Instead look at the sh*tshow that has unfolded.

And I would be accused of been anti police and anti law and order.
Why don't people just look at how other countries handle law and order.
No other developed nation does policing like the US.

And no doubt the community would start showing more trust in the police too!!

The thing is, smart policing does not make anyone money!

[Deleted User]

There is very little point in trying to look at this incident through Irish eyes.

We were only discussing the USA in work the other day, police officers have a different job there.
Here, yes there are dangers, but unlike America, we can be sure that the majority of people are not carrying a gun

America is totally different to Ireland, if you have to deal with any issues, always having to consider that the person you are dealing with has a gun, & may well use it, then you think completely differently to a member of AGS here.

Laws are different, protocols are different.

However, if someone tried to take my Taser or Taser me, then I believe I am justified in shooting him. Primarily because there is an issue for my life or the life of others. Perhaps he will steal my firearm after he has tasered me?

frag420

weldoninhio wrote: »

Which one was that? The guy sneaking around a building site on his “jog”??

Yes, the guy who the racists father and son said "resembled" someone that may have been robbing a neighbourhood miles away

Nozebleed wrote: »

yeh the thief..that jogged away after rifling through someone's property & stealing their belongings.

What did he steal? Cant have been too big as we would have seen him carry it in the video of him being murdered. What was it? Did they find it on him after the followed hunted him?

weldoninhio

walshb wrote: »

Rather blanket claim this..

Rather stupid claim is more accurate.

joe40

punisher5112 wrote: »

How did he get to the queue?

We all sleep so by that logic we are no danger to anyone ever.

He was woken up, he was asked to pull car off to the side, he got out, he was checked and found to be impaired, they tried to cuff him he broke free, fought bought officers, took a officers weapon, fired it at them numerous times, they took out the threat which he was whether he was black or white.

Sure people have been shot that were unarmed but went for the officers gun, what you want the cop to do allow them to take their weapon and arrive home in a box.

Some serious deluded people on here

He resisted arrest and got away from the police. They would have been far better off to let him run. They knew who he was they had his car. Where was he going to go.

De escalation is not letting people off it is simply smarter policing.

Imagine today they could be calling to his house and arresting him for resisting arrest.
He would still be alive, the cops would still have their jobs, and Justice would still be served.

Instead look at the sh*tshow that has unfolded.

And I would be accused of been anti police and anti law and order.
Why don't people just look at how other countries handle law and order.
No other developed nation does policing like the US.

declanflynn

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fcuking hell. A warning shot?? It’s not Hollywood.

How much danger were the cops in from a man running away from them?

frag420

punisher5112 wrote: »

The cops were more then polite and actually arrived to check he was ok, for all they knew he was unwell and were doing a welfare check, the car wasn't parked, the car was running (did you watch the video), he was in a queue not a parking spot until he was asked to park it.

But if he was obviously drunk according to some here, why ask him to park it putting others in danger?

Why not get him out of the car straight away? Surely a few customers would not mind driving around the car for a short time while the police sort it out, it happens all the time all over the world.

weldoninhio

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Funny how they always go for a kill shot with a black man. Trained not to, but it's always head and chest shots. A bullet to the leg stops anyone.

They are trained to shoot at central mass. Jesus. Maybe they should have just shot the taser out of his hand??

Nozebleed

weldoninhio wrote: »

Which one was that? The guy sneaking around a building site on his “jog”??

yeh the thief..that jogged away after rifling through someone's property & stealing their belongings.

weldoninhio

False Prophet wrote: »

No reason? You expected them to leave a person blocking a drive through? If not drunk then might need medical assistance, if drunk could wake up and drive off and kill himself and others.
He escalated it by resisting arrest not the police who are risking their lives trying to do a their job every day.

Now that said , I disagree with them shooting the man. How far could a drunk man get to. There was 2 or more officers on the scene he couldn't taser both. Why not fire a warning shot. Why not aim to wound.

Fcuking hell. A warning shot?? It’s not Hollywood.

declanflynn

peddlelies wrote: »

Your angle of quibbling is meaningless, unless his car somehow magically floated to that drive way. I'm sure the security footage says otherwise.

it was a simple question

weldoninhio

frag420 wrote: »

I know you are referring t the police however in light of a recent killing of a blackman in America that was just out for a jog I think that your comment was a little crass...

Which one was that? The guy sneaking around a building site on his “jog”??

declanflynn

frag420 wrote: »

As I have posted twice on this thread, it all depends on the circumstances and what state he resides in...have a read of the link I posted twice already.

In some states if the car is stationary and turned off then he is not drink driving, we will have to wait and see.

However you cannot deny that he was being compliant up until the officer decided to cuff him, that escalated the issue. In light of recent happenings do you not think it would have been sensible to not escalate the issue, maintain a level head? Because that's what well trained cops are trained to do the world over!

And if as has been suggested he was suspected of being drunk, why not take control of the car from him straight away to be extra cautions, esp as he was passed out and unresponsive for some time?

Spot on

frag420

peddlelies wrote: »

He was obviously driving drunk, he was blocking up a drive way after passing out.

Logic isn't your strong point I see.

And facts aren't your string point as evident on other threads!

So riddle me this, if he was obviously driving drunk then surely the police should have arrested him on the spot instead of instructing and waiting for him to park his car thus endangering the public?

weldoninhio

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Besides the point. You never shoot to kill a person just for running away, you chase, and if you can't catch him pick him up at his home following day.

How do you prove he was under the influence if you don’t get him breathalysed at the time? What if they’d let him run, and he’d returned to his car and killed someone as a drunk driver?

Try living in the real world.