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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

lawrencesummers

Cops called because a guy was asleep in his car in the queue for a drive through.
Failed field sobriety test.
Tussled with cops.
Shot and killed.
Looks on the outset like another use of excessive Force by police, but there is so much more wrong with it.

One cop has been fired and the other is Put on leave.

Firing somebody that immediately and without due process is probably in a bid to quell the protests - (but it hasn’t) But it can’t be right, surely these matters need investigation, statements and the a just decision, which may well be dismissal / charges filed etc.

There is a big risk of the authorities in the USA actually losing their own police force if they don’t maintain the law and order and due process that everyone deserves. Has the cop in this instance actually violated the procedures That are given to him for arresting people? If a cop needs to be fired then fine, fire hundreds of them but only after due process.

RIP the victim, On his daughters birthday apparently.

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[Deleted User]

There is very little point in trying to look at this incident through Irish eyes.

We were only discussing the USA in work the other day, police officers have a different job there.
Here, yes there are dangers, but unlike America, we can be sure that the majority of people are not carrying a gun

America is totally different to Ireland, if you have to deal with any issues, always having to consider that the person you are dealing with has a gun, & may well use it, then you think completely differently to a member of AGS here.

Laws are different, protocols are different.

However, if someone tried to take my Taser or Taser me, then I believe I am justified in shooting him. Primarily because there is an issue for my life or the life of others. Perhaps he will steal my firearm after he has tasered me?

frag420

joe40 wrote: »

He resisted arrest and got away from the police. They would have been far better off to let him run. They knew who he was they had his car. Where was he going to go.

De escalation is not letting people off it is simply smarter policing.

Imagine today they could be calling to his house and arresting him for resisting arrest.
He would still be alive, the cops would still have their jobs, and Justice would still be served.

Instead look at the sh*tshow that has unfolded.

And I would be accused of been anti police and anti law and order.
Why don't people just look at how other countries handle law and order.
No other developed nation does policing like the US.

And no doubt the community would start showing more trust in the police too!!

The thing is, smart policing does not make anyone money!

[Deleted User]

Nowhere in Europe does Mr. Brooks end up dead in that situation.

False Prophet

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fcuking hell. A warning shot?? It’s not Hollywood.

Warning shots are used by various police forces across the world. Of course it's not best policy as you might harm someone else or yourself but my point was that they jumped to 3 shots to kill instead of other options

Rows Grower

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fcuking hell. A warning shot?? It’s not Hollywood.

There was another lad earlier today wanted to know why he wasn't just shot in the leg.

weldoninhio

Akrasia wrote: »

He wasn’t driving. he was asleep in a car that was parked in a car park

If the cops had a bit of cop on, they would have given him a warning instead of arresting him

How did the car get into the queue for the drivethru??

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nowhere in Europe does Mr. Brooks end up dead in that situation.

That's the point.
Society in the USA has brought about this situation, it wouldn't happen in Europe, most likely & most probably would not happen in Ireland.
But that's not because the police are better or worse in any jurisdiction, it's because of the society that offenders & police have grown up in & live in.

Sarcozies

How many lives could be saved by teaching not resisting arrest? When a cop is arresting you, it's not debate time. There is no choice. If you feel you are being wrongly arrested, racially profiled etc. you aren't going to win over the minds at be of this fact by resisting arrest. You go to the station, get a lawyer and sue the **** out of the police.

False Prophet

bubblypop wrote: »

America is totally different to Ireland, if you have to deal with any issues, always having to consider that the person you are dealing with has a gun, & may well use it, then you think completely differently to a member of AGS here.

Laws are different, protocols are different.

However, if someone tried to take my Taser or Taser me, then I believe I am justified in shooting him. Primarily because there is an issue for my life or the life of others. Perhaps he will steal my firearm after he has tasered me?

They know he hasn't a gun.

How will he steal your gun when your not on your own? wouldnt the 2nd policeman still be able to shoot him if you got tasered and he goes for your gun?

weldoninhio

joe40 wrote: »

He resisted arrest and got away from the police. They would have been far better off to let him run. They knew who he was they had his car. Where was he going to go.

De escalation is not letting people off it is simply smarter policing.

Imagine today they could be calling to his house and arresting him for resisting arrest.
He would still be alive, the cops would still have their jobs, and Justice would still be served.

Instead look at the sh*tshow that has unfolded.

And I would be accused of been anti police and anti law and order.
Why don't people just look at how other countries handle law and order.
No other developed nation does policing like the US.

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

[Deleted User]

False Prophet wrote: »

They know he hasn't a gun.

How will he steal your gun when your not on your own? wouldnt the 2nd policeman still be able to shoot him if you got tasered and he goes for your gun?

I shoot him, another policeman shoots him, he still gets shot?

lawred2

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

sure you could do that later this evening

weldoninhio

Rows Grower wrote: »

There was another lad earlier today wanted to know why he wasn't just shot in the leg.

Lads watching too much Die Hard

weldoninhio

lawred2 wrote: »

sure you could do that later this evening

I haven’t been drinking or passing out.

frag420

Lets play a game, its called...

Guess the colour of the guy in this incident who did the exact same thing as Rayshard Brooksnot not three days ago in that he broke a police officers radio while throwing him into a ditch and took another police officers taser and shooting it at him... but was not murdered....and all while be wheeled into an ambulance(not in cuffs mind,

he was white

)

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehighvalley/bethlehem-man-allegedly-disarms-officer-of-taser-during-struggle/article_f001c08e-ac1c-11ea-837c-775197e66788.html

joe40

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

God you're right, better to kill him.

They had his keys, they could have lifted his car or got it towed.
Everyone in America is entitled to carry a gun and you're worried that he has a taser.

Sorry but those arguments make no sense.

lawred2

weldoninhio wrote: »

I haven’t been drinking or passing out.

be a lot of dead people based on your policing intuitions

weldoninhio

joe40 wrote: »

God you're right, better to kill him.

They had his keys, they could have lifted his car or got it towed.
Everyone in America is entitled to carry a gun and you're worried that he has a taser.

Sorry but those arguments make no sense.

I’m not worried he has a taser. It’s no use to him now.

lawrencesummers

frag420 wrote: »

Lets play a game, its called...

Guess the colour of the guy in this incident who did the exact same thing as Rayshard Brooksnot not three days ago in that he broke a police officers radio while throwing him into a ditch and took another police officers taser and shooting it at him... but was not murdered....and all while be wheeled into an ambulance(not in cuffs mind,
he was white
)

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehighvalley/bethlehem-man-allegedly-disarms-officer-of-taser-during-struggle/article_f001c08e-ac1c-11ea-837c-775197e66788.html

That’s an interesting coincidence. The pro gun pro cop folk on here will be quickly ignoring that story.

weldoninhio

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That’s an interesting coincidence. The pro gun pro cop folk on here will be quickly ignoring that story.

Would that be the same way the George Floyd people ignored Tony Timpa??

lawrencesummers

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

Or he could have got into his car and found a cure for Covid19’ that also
Cures racism and made billions.

Unlikely though.

AbusesToilets

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That’s an interesting coincidence. The pro gun pro cop folk on here will be quickly ignoring that story.

Would that be the same manner in which you ignore that more white people are killed by police annually?

frag420

weldoninhio wrote: »

Would that be the same way the George Floyd people ignored Tony Timpa??

Look, over there, a squirrel!

Ive no idea who Tony Tampa is, will have a google now.

In the meantime, whats your thoughts on the link I shared above?

declanflynn

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or he could have returned to his car, gotten into to and ploughed into an oncoming family. Or decided to settle a score and tase someone he had beef with and killed them.

He could have come on a bus load of ould ones coming home from bingo, boarded the bus and killed them all

frag420

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Would that be the same manner in which you ignore that more white people are killed by police annually?

Look, over there, a squirrel!

Whats your thoughts on the link I shared above in the context of the incident that's just happened?

weldoninhio

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Or he could have got into his car and found a cure for Covid19’ that also
Cures racism and made billions.

Unlikely though.

You think it’s unlikely that a person over the drink drive limit is unlikely to hit someone. Derek Keane probably thought it would be unlikely too.

weldoninhio

frag420 wrote: »

Look, over there, a squirrel!

Ive no idea who Tony Tampa is, will have a google now.

In the meantime, whats your thoughts on the link I shared above?

I think there were more police on the scene and they were within range to use pepper spray and taser.

lawrencesummers

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Would that be the same manner in which you ignore that more white people are killed by police annually?

No, because statistics are irrelevant when justifying a particular situation.

Rows Grower

frag420 wrote: »

Lets play a game, its called...

Guess the colour of the guy in this incident who did the exact same thing as Rayshard Brooksnot not three days ago in that he broke a police officers radio while throwing him into a ditch and took another police officers taser and shooting it at him... but was not murdered....and all while be wheeled into an ambulance(not in cuffs mind,
he was white
)

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehighvalley/bethlehem-man-allegedly-disarms-officer-of-taser-during-struggle/article_f001c08e-ac1c-11ea-837c-775197e66788.html

I'm gonna guess, is he black?

lawrencesummers

weldoninhio wrote: »

You think it’s unlikely that a person over the drink drive limit is unlikely to hit someone. Derek Keane probably thought it would be unlikely too.

Why don’t you just go full jumping to conclusions and say the police saved a families life by shooting him?

People keep going back to hypotheticals instead of the actual videos of what actually DID happen.