Deleted User wrote: » I think the problem is that those who push the multicultural line don't want to recognize that the world has changed. Part of it is our own fault. The development of a society that feels itself "entitled" to a way of life, without the work/risks that previous generations would have considered part of the process. The issue is that we see immigrants who have the same sense of entitlement. In the past(80s/90s), migrants came here knowing that Ireland wasn't the "best" and knew that they would need to work (and integrate) to get a similar standard of living as the natives. Hell, better than many of the natives, in fact. They knew that integration was the easiest way to achieve that, so they dressed as we did, and made an effort to participate with our values (while retaining their own cultural habits in the privacy of their own homes) However, the last decade, we've seen those who feel entitled to "be taken care of", and hold no gratitude for what they receive. I'm not going to sugar coat it because TBH i suspect many westerners would be the same had they been in the same position. However, the more that I have lived abroad, the more I have come to respect the power of culture. With Muslims. for example, there has been a shift towards the more fundamental aspects of their religion, and while I know many boardsies, don't see them as the same, their religion and culture is intertwined. This affects the manner in which they feel that they can comfortably integrate with the local culture, versus maintaining their own cultural purity. With Muslims, it's important to see the difference in how males behave when they're in their twenties, versus how they behave in their thirties (when they marry). Many want to ignore these factors, and use generalisations to suggest a level of acceptance that simply doesn't exist. Which is why we have seen gangs being formed in many countries, along with scattered violence/crime.I'm not against migration, since I genuinely feel that it does improve a country by becoming exposed to other options/cultures. Having said that though, I feel that migration is neglected the attention it deserves, to determine what is the best/optimum manner to go about it. And that would mean examining how other nations do it... and leaving the virtue signalling out of it.
Wibbs wrote: » Funny enough I knew two. Well one his dad had come from the Middle East in the 70's escaping a likely death sentence. He could have settled in a couple of places but chose here, because he thought it a cohesive and religious at the time safe place to raise kids(one could argue that one thing that does make it safe from more social unrest is our very homogeneity. Perish the thought...). Made a good go of it too. Worked his arse off. The other lad was from Cameroon who rocked up in the mid 80's. Both guys were highly intelligent and educated people.
ArchXStanton wrote: » Yeah it's not like Salvini and co put the boot down on these "NGOs" for no reason
TheCitizen wrote: » Was wondering what or who Gefira.org was. https://medium.com/dfrlab/electionwatch-murky-metrics-in-italian-migration-debate-198e80253644 Says here they are a dodgy outfit that aren't what they claim to be and make all sorts of allegations that they don't back up. This place has gone to the dogs.
ArchXStanton wrote: » Anyone that doesn't think that this is wrong or something sinister about it would want their heads examined https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIc1LZqIAw
Rodney Bathgate wrote: » Imagine, a small island country in north western europe with no history of colonialism or ties to Africa has a ‘very white’ public sector. Given that we have very few direct flights to Africa and didn’t have them a long time, the number of ‘people of colour’ from Africa who managed to get here without setting foot in another safe country before claimed asylum here is more surprising that a ‘very white’ public sector.
ArchXStanton wrote: » Was going to mention that earlier, nobody came here in the 80s
Wibbs wrote: » True, however if you look at any other "multicultural" European nations, even after many generations the non native populations specifically those who don't look "local" are never quite local enough. Sure if individuals do well they're lauded to some degree, but their background demographic not nearly so much. Hence we have social problems and occasional actual unrest like we see currently in the UK many generations in. But the multiculturalists refuse to acknowledge history and basic human nature. Then again that's a thread that runs strongly through the so called "left" and progressives. They imagine a world of human blank slates that top down cultural pressures can shift, but they don't and they can't. That's a bitter pill they won't swallow. Now to be fair it's an optimistic view of humanity and that's nicer than a pessimistic view, but it doesn't make it a reality. So called "melting pots" of different ethnicities don't last too long without unrest, without a them and us coming into it. It doesn't have to be along "race" lines either. This island has seen and still sees a social them and us between Planters and Native, many centuries on. And they're the same "race", same colour. And you think introducing people who look quite different and in some demographics quite different culturally and expect that to magically work? If so I have some magic beans you may be interested in. Forget non natives for a second. Today we have a social schism and discrimination and social unrest and distrust between Travellers and Settled Irish. Same "race" down to the bones. And yet here we are. It's lovely wishful thinking but history and current events prove it to be a naive bloody nonsense. Again please list European multicultural nations without strife along ethnic/racial lines. Please list European multicultural nations where Black Africans aren't the lowest demographic on the social scale. And you want to import that stupidity here? In the naive hope that somehow this time we'll get it right? We won't and we're already seeing the rise of the unrest and ghettoisation in this country after less than two decades of this multicultural bollocks being imported. Hell a large part of why we got it imported was because of the Good Friday, please God let the ethnic Troubles end, born in Ireland makes you Irish stuff, which had a long queue of non EU "refugees" from Nigeria and the like with their waters breaking on the pier at Rosslare. Of course Ireland having a boom at the time helped... Not a lot of "refugees" coming here in the doldrums of the 80's. Funny that.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » Why do you keep asserting that Irish people can omly be white?
cloudatlas wrote: » Why don't stakeholders who openly criticise the government such as Fr Peter McVerry of the Peter McVerry Trust homeless charity never accuse migrants of causing or exacerbating homelessness in Ireland. You'd think he would have mentioned it by now.
Strumms wrote: » I’m not into or interested in racism. I’m into fairness I’m not into or interested in one person benefiting over another due to race. That in competition for jobs, the best qualified, most suitable candidate is successful. Always, regardless of the makeup of the team, company. In sport, the most talented and reliable person is picked to play for the team, to manage the team. We need rid of people like Leo, off the face of this country’s political landscape. I lament with a passion that FF have such a fûcking useless lame duck Martin in charge I really do.. anybody with any level of intelligence,personality,passion and fairness would have wiped Leo off the stage by now, and set us on a fair road, not one where me and you, people of Ireland can be discriminated against in our own country, for being Irish, treasonous.
heldel00 wrote: » Do ya know i himmed and hawed about actually posting it at all? I just couldn't believe it when she told me. I asked her did the whites know and her reply was "sure what could they do about it anyway?" And for her pal to be kicked out?! He has spent his life being the token "black kid" (plastered all over the college prospectus because they told him they'd like someone black) and then kicked out by other blacks because he is too white. You couldn't make it up!
Chris_Heilong wrote: » A bit of immigration is fine and good for us IMO, I see where Eric Cartman is coming from but feel it is a bit extreme however we have no obligation or guilt to raise the third world out of poverty as we never contributed to its current state. I know why the Government and Businesses want poor workers who are happy to work for peanuts as it means more tax and cheap labor but it pushes wages down for all the Irish and then you hear things like "we do the jobs you Irish are not willing to do" yeah because 'you' have pushed the wage under what it should be.
biko wrote: » Although this may sound crazy it's not uncommon. Both Drake and Whitney Houston got grief by the black community for being 'too white'. Actress Tiegan Byrne says she gets laughed at for acting ‘too white’.
heldel00 wrote: » She only found this out after her black friend was removed for "acting too white"!
1800_Ladladlad wrote: » No no no, you are not supposed to be telling us these things, please keep them to yourself. . . . Whitedontcount
heldel00 wrote: » My sister works in an area of public sector where there would be more black people than usually found in PS. She was telling me that they have a specific WhatsApp group just for black colleagues. She only found this out after her black friend was removed for "acting too white"!
jackboy wrote: » Diversity does work, just not the way we do it. Bringing in poor people from around the world and keeping them in poverty in direct provision centres for long periods of time obviously is a bad idea. Also, most of these are economic migrants, not refugees. Keeping economic migrants in poverty will always cause issues. Taking in educated foreigners with their families to take up Job positions is a positive policy and this sort of diversity will cause little of any issues. We need to stop putting illegal economic migrants into direct provision. Any illegal migrant that has already passed through a safe country should be automatically instantly deported. The world is full of camps with genuine refugees. We should decide how many to take and then go to the camps to select those to come to Ireland. We should then organise transport of these to Ireland, put them into proper accommodation and help them get work or education. They should get decent economic support until they can support themselves.
cloudatlas wrote: » I'm too old for this thread because I remember back years ago in the after hours thread when the Poles were the bad immigrants. Now they have integrated well and are moving either back home or staying and being promoted. That leaves a gap for lower skilled workers to step in and do jobs that Irish people don't want and they don't want them, they don't want to pick fruit we've seen that recently, they don't want to be cleaners and they don't want to be baristas.
This report is from two years ago and it takes upwards of 7 years to fully assess changes in society also it takes time to create schemes and as you know Ireland is slow across the board. Yes language skills are the problem not education per se. I don't believe the African population in Ireland is as large as people say on this thread at any rate, certainly in my time living in Dublin I didn't meet many we had one family friend who was from Cameroon who wasn't educated up to his eye balls but learned English and is working in a hotel. His kids are Irish born and doing really well at school one 13 and 9 years old now so I don't know if that is the type of integration people want on this thread but there you go it's happening whether the posters on here like it or not.
cloudatlas wrote: » I'm too old for this thread because I remember back years ago in the after hours thread when the Poles were the bad immigrants. Now they have integrated well and are moving either back home or staying and being promoted. That leaves a gap for lower skilled workers to step in and do jobs that Irish people don't want and they don't want them, they don't want to pick fruit we've seen that recently, they don't want to be cleaners and they don't want to be baristas. This report is from two years ago and it takes upwards of 7 years to fully assess changes in society also it takes time to create schemes and as you know Ireland is slow across the board. Yes language skills are the problem not education per se. I don't believe the African population in Ireland is as large as people say on this thread at any rate, certainly in my time living in Dublin I didn't meet many we had one family friend who was from Cameroon who wasn't educated up to his eye balls but learned English and is working in a hotel. His kids are Irish born and doing really well at school one 13 and 9 years old now so I don't know if that is the type of integration people want on this thread but there you go it's happening whether the posters on here like it or not. The Far right leaders in Germany are always claiming there are a high number of killings but when it's fact checked it is found to be low. The crime rate has fallen in Germany since 1992. The attacks on immigrants have been very high though.
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