blanch152 wrote: » It has been done over many times. From the UK not counting nursing home deaths to the Chinese pretending that nobody has died in the last three months to the poor Afghans not having any way to count their deaths to the Brazilians pretending there isn't a virus, etc. those statistics are completely meaningless. The only true statistic will be when you measure excess mortality in 2020 by country, as that will tell us the real picture. Initial indications show Ireland is doing really well by that statistic, but it is way too early to know. That will also address the issue of whether the Covid-19 measures killed people in other ways while saving them from the virus. In your rush to jump on your anti-FG bandwagon, you neglected to look beyond the headline.
smurgen wrote: » Show the "correct" statistics. Looking forward to the correction.
RandomViewer wrote: » I'm a bit wary of any numbers released in the last few weeks , get a notion there is a bit of massaging of the statistics, hope I'm wrong.
Bowie wrote: » Looking after the tax payer and not pandering to multinationals and pals to the detriment of the tax payer would be nice.
blanch152 wrote: » Yes, they are pre-Covid. And we learned a few things through Covid. A lot of those homeless suddenly found a place to go and live when the alternative was risking getting the virus. It was an eye-opener. Ditto the way the A&E Departments emptied of chancers, drunks and hypochondriacs. Even the frontline healthcare staff (who have since done a magnificent job) managed to up their game to clear the backlogs. Who would have known so much could be achieved in such a short while. Meanwhile, you are stuck repeating the same old broken record.
smurgen wrote: » The UK is already at number 2 if they move to number 1 that doesn't change Ireland's position.show me stats that Ireland isn't number 7?the excess death analysis I've seen points to these numbers being correct. It seems to me there's a attempt to muddy the waters to the stats can be dismissed.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Just watching virgin TV. It seems Leo is the favourite choice by a mile for Taoiseach out of the current leaders of the parties involved in the Govt formation talks. That doesent surprise me given the narrow choice, but if Catherine got the green gig it could change perhaps. Michael isn't a popular choice at all and is likely to be the first Taoiseach, not looking forward to having to listen to him explaining the future to us. This coalition deal and its policies might be half OK, but putting MM out front first will be a disaster pr wise imo
McMurphy wrote: » Just curious bishop, seeing as you went multiple posts the other morning sticking to your script. Did you think Eamon Ryan was racist yesterday when he used the n word? Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on that one, surely you wouldn't hold Eamon to different standards than that of the bearded one.
Mortelaro wrote: » Excess deaths caused by people afraid to go to their Doctor for fear of catching Covid is not Fine Gaels fault It's a personal decision Fault doesn't come into it anywhere actually Ergo its moot in a thread like this
6 wrote: » Covid-19 has helped FG I believe. The last few months nobody has has been talking about the GE, and it has subsequently taken the wind out of Sinn Feins sails. Imo, they've taken their time to form a government purposely. What's the hurry. It keeps the opposition out of the picture for even longer. The priority was dealing with Covid, which the majority would say was handled pretty well all things considered.
kilkenny31 wrote: » I don't think COVID19 has taken the wind out of Sinn Feins sails. I think it has taken the wind out of finna fails. I think its very much a fine gale vs sinn féin from now on.
6 wrote: » Yes, FF definitely out of the loop the last 3 or 4 months.
Leonard Hofstadter wrote: » Leo is the current favourite to be Taoiseach, by a mile. Nearly one in two voters (48%) want him to stay on.https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-taoiseach-opinion-poll-5122414-Jun2020/ Expect to see many more pages on this thread of mass hysteria and manufactured outrage towards FG as a result.
smurgen wrote: » Even if that was true and that's a big if it's still FG's job to manage the information people receive.
Mortelaro wrote: » It's not a big if Any gp or specialist will tell you people aint going That's not FG's fault An information campaign saying you're safe to visit gp's and hospitals at a time when theres already one saying stay away from people with it Give me a break As for nursing homes,early analysis done adnauseum on that one here First 30 days into this pandemic when we were learning was to get icu beds,field hospitals etc ready and let them get sparse PPE Once the virus got into certain nursing homes, it couldn't be got out Some of the better run of the nursing homes had no virus at all Run for profit primarily, some others simply could not cope Again not FG's fault Oh and please don't peddle international comparisons with countries that dont count the virus or deaths as accurately as us unless it's to show how good we have been doing Its disingenuous Listen instead to Dr Navarro of WHO's closing comments at the coronavirus committee the other day Much praise He knows what he is talking about a tad more than you or I
dundalkfc10 wrote: » People were sent to Nursing Homes from hospitals who were not even tested. This happened in state run homes aswell as private. The Govt are to blame end off You will prob tell us now FG are not to blame for the over 10,000 homeless
Mortelaro wrote: » It's not a big if Any gp or specialist will tell you people aint going That's not FG's fault An information campaign saying you're safe to visit gp's and hospitals at a time when theres already one saying stay away from people with it Give me a break
Mortelaro wrote: » Again,best practice there probably should have been for nursing homes to isolate those for 2 weeks They couldnt be tested because there was a shortage of test kits at the time WORLDWIDE Getting them out of hospitals where they could get covid seemed early in play like a good idea They would not have been sent out if they were sick Again not FG's fault Much as you might like it to be It's not As for homelessness, I think there were numerous contributory factors But let's not conflate that in the same post as the lie that FG wete responsible for excess nursing home deaths or indeed that Ireland has been doing badly They weren't and we arent
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Did Nursing Home patients get moved to hospitals without getting tested? Answer is yes, that's the Govt fault as they are making the decisions (they tell us anyway) Had the Homeless situation got worse since FG were running the Govt? A simple yes or no will do
Mortelaro wrote: » I'm presuming but I dont know,that if you are suspected of coronavirus in hospital you are tested for it Regarding homelessness The 1st 5 years of FG's 9 in government involved the country having no money,mass emigration of house building labourers and highering of taxes Even today we dont have the numbers to build because they went elsewhere If you can find a country in recent times that underwent the level of crash we did thats managed to build also 10's of 1000's of homes in the right places during that time,I'll tip my hat Now please dont conflate covid and housing in the one post They are separate issues
dundalkfc10 wrote: » You will prob tell us now FG are not to blame for the over 10,000 homeless
Mortelaro wrote: » I do not know what surgery you attend but my experience during the pandemic at mine is same day surgery appointment Same day call backs by the gp and in out of Vincent's A and E with a sprain in less than an hour
McMurphy wrote: » Just wondering if you seen this post Bishop?
efanton wrote: » Well there's Dublin and then there the rest of the country. nothing new there. I think services in rural areas have been heavily affected by this pandemic. But my point remains, its obvious that covid the affected both GP and hospital services an to suggest that these have not been affected is just plain wrong. In some places it might be less visible in other .
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