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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

lawrencesummers

Cops called because a guy was asleep in his car in the queue for a drive through.
Failed field sobriety test.
Tussled with cops.
Shot and killed.
Looks on the outset like another use of excessive Force by police, but there is so much more wrong with it.

One cop has been fired and the other is Put on leave.

Firing somebody that immediately and without due process is probably in a bid to quell the protests - (but it hasn’t) But it can’t be right, surely these matters need investigation, statements and the a just decision, which may well be dismissal / charges filed etc.

There is a big risk of the authorities in the USA actually losing their own police force if they don’t maintain the law and order and due process that everyone deserves. Has the cop in this instance actually violated the procedures That are given to him for arresting people? If a cop needs to be fired then fine, fire hundreds of them but only after due process.

RIP the victim, On his daughters birthday apparently.

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frag420

zpehtsfd wrote: »

He turned around and fired it directly at the PO when he was fleeing. All caught on video.

Evidence for this please?

Do you know for a fact that it was a loaded taser he took ands not the taser that had been used on him in which case it was now obsolete and was no danger whatsoever unless thrown at them!

And again, a taser is a non lethal weapon.

Why use lethal force against non lethal force, it makes no sense?

Ardent

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Resigned not fired.

Same thing

lawrencesummers

zpehtsfd wrote: »

He turned around and fired it directly at the PO when he was fleeing. All caught on video.

None of the videos show it being fired Directly.

Nozebleed

this guy would still be alive and well today if he just complied with the law. he decided to assault a police officer and take one of his weapons.

lawrencesummers

Nozebleed wrote: »

some people refuse to believe there is a problem with crime when it comes to african american community.

this is where the real problem is...sad but its the truth.

That’s post won’t be topped for ignorance all day I reckon.

Fuascailteoir

frag420 wrote: »

Because he wasn't driving, he was sleeping in his car.

Why didnt the police officer shout "freeze, we will shoot" or similar before shooting him as a normal civilised police force who are there to PROTECT and SERVE should do?

If you are drunk in Ireland and sitting behind the steering wheel you will be arrested for drink driving, even if asleep. Probably the same in the states

Nozebleed

joe40 wrote: »

If the only other option is killing him absolutely. That is what other police forced do.
The PSNI in the north are all armed. Every one of them. When have you ever heard story like that coming from the north.

Derry and Belfast have their fair share of ****head's.

Some people just refuse to accept there is a problem with American policing and this is a good example.

This sort of crime happens in every European country, only in America does it result in death.

This affects all communities as well, not just black.

some people refuse to believe there is a problem with crime when it comes to african american community.

this is where the real problem is...sad but its the truth.

[Deleted User]

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

What I meant is he should have discussed it slowly and calmly before cuffing him... the man was drunk and probably a bit scared.

They just said, "we're gonna cuff you now", and proceeded to put his hands behind his back. I think that was too abrupt for the situation and the current climate. The man got spooked by getting cuffed... he probably wasn't expecting it.

The man was drunk and driving. He was asleep, in his car, in the ****ing line for the drive thru! He didn’t push his car there. The cops weren’t called because he was black. The cops didn’t shoot because he was black. This is no way similar to George Floyd.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-atlanta/protesters-burn-down-wendys-in-atlanta-after-police-shooting-idUSKBN23K0RI

Friday’s shooting came after police were called to the Wendy’s over reports that Brooks had fallen asleep in the drive-thru line. Officers attempted to take him into custody after he failed a field sobriety test, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

zpehtsfd

frag420 wrote: »

Do we know he fired a taser? Maybe it was the taser that the police had fired at him that was now obsolete and thus even less of a threat than normal?

Aren't tasers meant to be non lethal, why use lethal force against something that is non lethal, eps when there are two of you there with lethal weapons?

He turned around and fired it directly at the PO when he was fleeing. All caught on video.

lawrencesummers

Nozebleed wrote: »

you seem to believe he was taken out. who's to say the officer who shot him wasn't aiming at his shoulder,arm,leg or whatever other part of the body that would stop the guy from leaving the scene.

why didnt the guy just accept he was wrong,admit drink driving and get in the police car. like normal civilised folk do?

Because he was shot three times in rapid succession.

As for the second part, fear, stupidity, drunkenness or whatever else is going through a guys head that has just woke up after being drinking. Whatever mistakeS he made in not co-operating cost him his life ultimately.

lawrencesummers

Ardent wrote: »

I see the Atlanta police chief has been fired as well. Probably easier for the mayor to scapegoat, bow to cancel culture and preserve her political career than to protect her police department. New black Atlanta police chief in 3...2...1...

Resigned not fired.

frag420

Ardent wrote: »

I see the Atlanta police chief has been fired as well. Probably easier for the mayor to scapegoat, bow to cancel culture and preserve her political career than to protect her police department. New black Atlanta police chief in 3...2...1...

Welcome to Boards Ivanka...

lawrencesummers

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Firing

I’ve said plenty on that already.

frag420

Nozebleed wrote: »

you seem to believe he was taken out. who's to say the officer who shot him wasn't aiming at his shoulder,arm,leg or whatever other part of the body that would stop the guy from leaving the scene.

why didnt the guy just accept he was wrong,admit drink driving and get in the police car. like normal civilised folk do?

Because he wasn't driving, he was sleeping in his car.

Why didnt the police officer shout "freeze, we will shoot" or similar before shooting him as a normal civilised police force who are there to PROTECT and SERVE should do?

joe40

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

So if the police know who the person is, they should just let people away when resisting arrest because they can go and get him again?

If the only other option is killing him absolutely. That is what other police forced do.
The PSNI in the north are all armed. Every one of them. When have you ever heard story like that coming from the north.

Derry and Belfast have their fair share of ****head's.

Some people just refuse to accept there is a problem with American policing and this is a good example.

This sort of crime happens in every European country, only in America does it result in death.

This affects all communities as well, not just black.

Ardent

I see the Atlanta police chief has been fired as well. Probably easier for the mayor to scapegoat, bow to cancel culture and preserve her political career than to protect her police department. New black Atlanta police chief in 3...2...1...

[Deleted User]

walshb wrote: »

No. He completely lost his ****.

The slating of cops here is ludicrous..

Shoulda this, shoulda that....they are the cops. Not you. They are the ones in the line of fire here...

It’s getting ridiculously out of hand here with people attacking police at every turn.

Not anymore thank god, maybe now some some other person just asleep in a car won't end up being shot

frag420

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

But he wasn’t JUST running away. The Wendy’s CCTV clearly shows he turned back towards the cop and fired a taser at him.

I have no problem discussing the cops handling of this but, laurencesummers, you are blatantly lying in your posts here. You really need more practice is twisting narrative to suit your agenda.

Do we know he fired a taser? Maybe it was the taser that the police had fired at him that was now obsolete and thus even less of a threat than normal?

Aren't tasers meant to be non lethal, why use lethal force against something that is non lethal, eps when there are two of you there with lethal weapons?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

zpehtsfd wrote: »

The cop clearly states that he is going to cuff him before putting them on. Putting his hands behind his back and cuffing him is normal procedure for a DUI.

The question you should be asking is why he decided to resist arrest. He had absolutely no reason to fear for his life and knew full well that resisting would put him in a worse position with the cops. To say you can't really blame him for resisting is absolute nonsense.

What I meant is he should have discussed it slowly and calmly before cuffing him... the man was drunk and probably a bit scared.

They just said, "we're gonna cuff you now", and proceeded to put his hands behind his back. I think that was too abrupt for the situation and the current climate. The man got spooked by getting cuffed... he probably wasn't expecting it.

Nozebleed

frag420 wrote: »

So does a turnip if thrown hard enough, whats your point?

Also according to the US Police they use tasers because they are meant to be non lethal, they are not meant to kill. Why shoot someone with a non lethal weapon, seems excessive no?

you seem to believe he was taken out. who's to say the officer who shot him wasn't aiming at his shoulder,arm,leg or whatever other part of the body that would stop the guy from leaving the scene.

why didnt the guy just accept he was wrong,admit drink driving and get in the police car. like normal civilised folk do?

zpehtsfd

lawrencesummers wrote: »

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The shooting or the firing?

Firing

lawrencesummers

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

But he wasn’t JUST running away. The Wendy’s CCTV clearly shows he turned back towards the cop and fired a taser at him.

I have no problem discussing the cops handling of this but, laurencesummers, you are blatantly lying in your posts here. You really need more practice is twisting narrative to suit your agenda.

What am I lying about strawberry?

Btw it doesn’t show that he fired a taser, it shows that he pointed one.

[Deleted User]

walshb wrote: »

Ok, if established he was running away with no gun in his possession, then this does seem rash and excessive..

But he wasn’t JUST running away. The Wendy’s CCTV clearly shows he turned back towards the cop and fired a taser at him.

I have no problem discussing the cops handling of this but, laurencesummers, you are blatantly lying in your posts here. You really need more practice is twisting narrative to suit your agenda.

bucketybuck

Rodin wrote: »

The mindset that Im just going to stand there and let a guy tase me?

Will you allow black people to have that response? Or is it just for cops?

Following your logic if a cop points a taser at anybody then that persons life is in danger and so they should be allowed to defend themselves with lethal force.

lawrencesummers

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zpehtsfd wrote: »

In your opinion was that justified?

The shooting or the firing?

lawrencesummers

McDermotX wrote: »

For optics.

The only 'game' in town right now.

Are you saying he was only fired because of people’s outrage about other incidents? That the cop was right to shoot?

zpehtsfd

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Yet he was fired...

In your opinion was that justified?

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

walshb wrote: »

No. He completely lost his ****.

The slating of cops here is ludicrous..

Shoulda this, shoulda that....they are the cops. Not you. They are the ones in the line of fire here...

It’s getting ridiculously out of hand here with people attacking police at every turn.

I'm not attacking the police - lets get that straight. I respect the police. (Particularly our own, who are far better than their US counterparts imho)

These officers were very nervous and trigger happy. The officer shoots him 3 times in quick succession... and you call that a reasonable response?

Why fire 3 shots? Why not one shot? Why not shoot over his head? Why not tell him you're going to open fire if he doesn't put down the taser? (A non-lethal weapon that only has one round)

But had they dealt with the situation better earlier, then there should have been no need for the use of lethal force. Some of our Gardai have tasers... what would they do if someone resisted arrest and stole their taser...? The perpetrator would not end up dead that's for sure...

Those cops were trigger happy and WAY too nervous to be police officers... you need to be much more in control of yourself to do that job. I don't really blame the drunk black guy for being very scared of two white cops trying to cuff him... he reacted badly, but I think he possibly feared a repeat of the George Floyd incident... if you're a white guy, you probably have no clue what it's like to be arrested in America as a black man. We just don't know how much fear this man had when they tried to cuff him. Perhaps he was mistreated by white cops in the past... (Very possible).

frag420

Nozebleed wrote: »

this was no execution..police officers were 100% in the right. the victim assaulted an officer and took his taser..which can kill..it has the potential to be a deadly weapon. the other officer probably had no idea if the perp had the gun or the taser and acted correctly..in self defence. nothing to do with racism..

the problem here is not the police officer. its the african american man's attitude toward authority.

So does a turnip if thrown hard enough, whats your point?

Also according to the US Police they use tasers because they are meant to be non lethal, they are not meant to kill. Why shoot someone with a non lethal weapon, seems excessive no?

McDermotX

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Yet he was fired...

For optics.

The only 'game' in town right now.