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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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opus

To say this thing needed repainting is an understatement!

Treehelpplease

That colour, though.. they couldn't have been a bit more creative? Or picked something less likely to go so green/dirty so fast again. It's clean now, at least. Thank God we dont seem to have many buildings being proposed like that any more, like the building across the street to it, Southern Terrace building, etc.

who_me

Yeah, when you build simple, clean designs like that, then being clean and in good condition becomes kinda essential, or it looks terrible. (Not that I really like it now it's painted either)

Justin Credible Darts

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Wave-of-shop-closures-on-Pana-Cork-city-leaders-call-for-resilience--d08eb5ca-02ed-4319-98bf-f408b0a2743c-ds

Monsoon, Accessorize, joining quills, a wear, debenhams and countless others shops all gone in recent times, and people on here complained when I mentioned the abundance of closed shops on patrick street.

marno21

More info on St. Kevin’s

https://twitter.com/tfitzgeraldcork/status/1270753462461046785

namloc1980

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Wave-of-shop-closures-on-Pana-Cork-city-leaders-call-for-resilience--d08eb5ca-02ed-4319-98bf-f408b0a2743c-ds

Monsoon, Accessorize, joining quills, a wear, debenhams and countless others shops all gone in recent times, and people on here complained when I mentioned the abundance of closed shops on patrick street.

Many of these are UK chains. Spillover effect of Brexit and the dying high street in the UK. More indigenous business and European chains are needed. Also a fundamental rethink needed by the Council. The same old policies of incentivising car use simply do not work. Unfortunately I'm not sure the Council is capable of doing that.

whisky_galore

opus wrote: »

To say this thing needed repainting is an understatement!

Probably cheap paint slapped on at the outset.

rebs23

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Wave-of-shop-closures-on-Pana-Cork-city-leaders-call-for-resilience--d08eb5ca-02ed-4319-98bf-f408b0a2743c-ds

Monsoon, Accessorize, joining quills, a wear, debenhams and countless others shops all gone in recent times, and people on here complained when I mentioned the abundance of closed shops on patrick street.

I think it's the manner you make your points without ever anything positive to say.

smurgen

whisky_galore wrote: »

Probably cheap paint slapped on at the outset.

I really think the council needs to do something to make centrally located building owners maintain the appearance of their buildings. That's building has looked shabby for years and in viewing of a large area of the city.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

smurgen wrote: »

I really think the council needs to do something to make centrally located building owners maintain the appearance of their buildings. That's building has looked shabby for years and in viewing of a large area of the city.

Look at Grand Parade road surface, ground lighting and the disappearing, tarmac-filled spaces where trees once were. The council can't even maintain what they themselves are responsible for, let alone controlling what building owners do!

lawrencesummers

smurgen wrote: »

I really think the council needs to do something to make centrally located building owners maintain the appearance of their buildings. That's building has looked shabby for years and in viewing of a large area of the city.

Are there not viable renders that last long term and don’t need repainting? Shouldn’t planning stipulate such materials be used in the finish of buildings?

bingo9999

opus wrote: »

To say this thing needed repainting is an understatement!

Thank god for that - still an awful building (in an awful row), but draws less attention to its tat now

opus

Treehelpplease wrote: »

That colour, though.. they couldn't have been a bit more creative? Or picked something less likely to go so green/dirty so fast again. It's clean now, at least. Thank God we dont seem to have many buildings being proposed like that any more, like the building across the street to it, Southern Terrace building, etc.

Think it's the same colour as the apartment block next to Pat McDonnell paints on Bachelor's Quay.

I took a break from my busy WFH schedule (;)) to do one of the midsummer festival walks which brought me past the work on the office part of the brewery site.

namloc1980

The reopening guidelines for shopping centres look like they will make them very joyless places to visit for months to come. There's a golden opportunity there to revitalise the city centre and attract people into it and make it somewhere worth visiting.

Flickerfusion

When you consider a building from that era, South Terrace Apartments, that used to be absolutely garish white and came across like it had been dropped in from a Spanish holiday resort.

When they broke it up with a well designed paint scheme it suddenly looked quite OK.

There should be a bit of design assistance put into ensuring those painted buildings on the quays and elsewhere are well blended in. There are ways and means of making these things look a lot nicer.

Justin Credible Darts

namloc1980 wrote: »

Many of these are UK chains. Spillover effect of Brexit and the dying high street in the UK. More indigenous business and European chains are needed. Also a fundamental rethink needed by the Council. The same old policies of incentivising car use simply do not work. Unfortunately I'm not sure the Council is capable of doing that.

Another problem is the rates the shops are being charged

namloc1980

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Another problem is the rates the shops are being charged

Rates are a cost of doing business like paying the electricity. And they aren't exclusive to Cork or Ireland. Forms of commercial property taxes are pretty much the norm in most countries.

Justin Credible Darts

namloc1980 wrote: »

Rates are a cost of doing business like paying the electricity. And they aren't exclusive to Cork or Ireland. Forms of commercial property taxes are pretty much the norm in most countries.

I get that, but when you can have the same size premises in a shopping centre, that will most likely be as busy, have free parking etc, and get that property at a cheaper rate is it any wonder places like argos are gone from the city.

snotboogie

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/movement-on-two-key-major-sites-by-blarney-and-rail-line-will-aidtransformation-of-corks-northside-1004538.html

rounders

namloc1980 wrote: »

Rates are a cost of doing business like paying the electricity. And they aren't exclusive to Cork or Ireland. Forms of commercial property taxes are pretty much the norm in most countries.

I agree but also feel in Ireland the businesses don't receive the service back from the council for the rates they pay

the beer revolu

rounders wrote: »

I agree but also feel in Ireland the businesses don't receive the service back from the council for the rates they pay

Show me any Irish person that believes that they get value from any tax they pay!
I'll put them with the people who consider themselves overpaid.

ScrubsfanChris

snotboogie wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/movement-on-two-key-major-sites-by-blarney-and-rail-line-will-aidtransformation-of-corks-northside-1004538.html

That first photo is one of mine

satanta99

O'Flynn have just submitted plans for 123 apartments in Ballincollig to ABP

http://oldfortroadshd.ie/

rino87

New park for Blarney which will link up to the Waterloo walk. Will be a welcome addition to the area.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/council-buys-65-acres-in-blarney-village-to-create-new-park-1005010.html

Usir

So Flynn now has 2 new developments on that road?
One at the corner by turn off to GAA and the new one announced today?

major interest

snotboogie wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/movement-on-two-key-major-sites-by-blarney-and-rail-line-will-aidtransformation-of-corks-northside-1004538.html

If it does get developed, that whole area around stoneview/business park will be very well connected to the city centre. Direct road link on to the N20 and train station would being people into Kent station in 15/20 mins.

satanta99

Usir wrote: »

So Flynn now has 2 new developments on that road?
One at the corner by turn off to GAA and the new one announced today?

The one at the corner by the turn off to the GAA, across from McDonalds, isn't O'Flynn. That is a new community health care centre that is being built.

SierraTango

satanta99 wrote: »

The one at the corner by the turn off to the GAA, across from McDonalds, isn't O'Flynn. That is a new community health care centre that is being built.

It's Flynn. Different company to O'Flynn.

ScrubsfanChris

Penrose Video: https://vimeo.com/425976195

Captainsatnav

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Penrose Video: https://vimeo.com/425976195

Fingers crossed it doesn't end up a white elephant as we move to work from home (which new programme for government explicitly supports):o