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Gangland Shootings part 3 - Read OP before posting - updated 27/12/23

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John_D3 wrote: »

DK played Conlan well. He signed his brother Jamie first who nobody else would of signed, Jamie was finished before Micheal signed and DK gave him a job for life at MTK, he is in Dubai many times a year. So when Micheal wen’t to sign pro Top Rank wanted him though he couldn’t go by his brother either who was running mtk here. So he signed with both. DK new everybody wanted Conlan and the way to get him was through Jamie.

Conlans father is originally from crumlin so the roots could be deeper than when Jamie signed up. None of those boxers give a bollox once they are getting there ball of cash on a weekly basis. There is **** all money in boxing except the upper classes. Half these rehabs like carroll keeler and Geraghty be on the dole if it wasnt for the drug money

hatrickpatrick

This will be an unpopular view I'm sure, but at least anyone who's seen me post in this thread over the years knows I'm pretty much the exact opposite of a Kinahan apologist. With that in mind:

Does anyone else find it a little disturbing how quickly and eagerly we as a society seem to have done away with concepts such as the presumption of innocence and due process? Everything from #metoo to the Belfast trial and now this is symptomatic of the same thing, guilt by accusation and punishment without conviction.

Based on everything I've read both in the media and on this thread, as well as things I've heard from extremely reliable sources in real life, I'd be of the view that DK is indeed the warlord he is alleged to be and that he does have at least some of the blood of the victims in the crusade against the Hutch family on his hands. There's enough evidence in various different forms to suggest this. However. A core tenet of our democratic system is that unless you are convicted in a court of law, you are presumed to be innocent of any crimes of which you are accused, and treated as such. No conviction, no consequences.

That the leader of our country has stood up and publicly stated that somebody who has never been convicted, only accused of involvement in gangland crime should be boycotted or otherwise prevented from living his life and carrying out whatever legal and legitimate business activities he chooses to participate in, is just something I find extremely disturbing, and it disturbs me further that there's zero discussion of any of this.

In terms of the feud and the crimes therein, the Gardaí and the courts need to get their sh!t together and, in the case of the Gardaí, build a case against these guys, and in the case of the courts, put them away for long enough stretches behind bars that their organisation disintegrates during that time. However, in the absence of that, by every metric of a free and democratic society, Daniel Kinahan is an innocent man. He has every right to live his life as he wishes until such time as he is not considered an innocent man - IE, after having been formally convicted in a court of law and sentenced by the presiding judge.

Leo Varadkar, in my view, shouldn't be throwing unproven and untested allegations against an individual around. It's an abuse of office.

Before everyone jumps on me, just consider the implications of allowing this paradigm to fester. Guilt by accusation. Speeches and phone calls by a politician derailing the career of someone who has absolutely no convictions for crime, just accusations. If you open that Pandora's box, then everyone from journalists who uncover scandals in government to political opponents running for election are fair game. The very reason we have due process is to prevent such appalling consequences for society if allegations are able to be used as a tool to hurt somebody.

The Taoiseach's word is not enough. The word of a judge is not enough. The word of a journalist is not enough. The only mechanism by which Daniel Kinahan's legal activities in the world of boxing should be up for being disrupted is by a formal ruling in a court of law at the end of a criminal trial. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, I am not a Kinahan fan as anyone who's read any of my posts in this thread will know - in terms of the Hutch-Kinahan feud they are very much the villains in this piece. But what I think is irrelevant. What you think is irrelevant. What Leo thinks is irrelevant.

In the absence of a criminal conviction, it would be profoundly wrong for businesses to blacklist this man, and it would be especially wrong for businesses to blacklist an individual because a member of a national government asked them to. Just think for a moment about the precedent we would be setting.

One foot in the door of tyranny if the word of a TD or minister can destroy a man's career despite him not having had his day in court.

Tomtom3105

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Any news on that shooting in Limerick last night?

Only that he was meant to be shot somewhere else and dumped there

Don Logan

Sureitlbegrand wrote: »

I wonder is there any truth in the allegations that DK is an MI5 informant and could that save him down the line?

Hahahahaha

Jeff2

Muahahaha wrote: »

Im surprised a smart Youtuber hasnt yet taken that professionally produced video of the Regency into editing and re-jigged it a bit by adding a few newspaper headlines and tv reports to it and then re-release it. Flip it on its head as it were.

I wish someone would do this.

Sureitlbegrand

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Whoa what?

Yea the whistleblower has had it up a few times along with other Twitter accounts how credible it is I have no idea

Banana Republic.

Sureitlbegrand wrote: »

I wonder is there any truth in the allegations that DK is an MI5 informant and could that save him down the line?

Whoa what?

Sureitlbegrand

I wonder is there any truth in the allegations that DK is an MI5 informant and could that save him down the line?

wiz1001

The British press are waking up, here the MailOnline is upping the pressure on the UK boxing fraternity who are happily associating themselves with DK " Boxing's shame as it jumps into bed with a crime boss..." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-8415699/Boxings-shame-Anthony-Joshua-Tyson-Furys-clash-tied-crime-boss.html

Banana Republic.

Any news on that shooting in Limerick last night?

Chicoso

smodgley wrote: »

Apparently big raid by cops in Dublin this evening
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/garda-battering-ram-operation-thor-18412658#ICID=Android_App_DublinLiveAppShare

Dozens of Garda storming a house

Wouldn't be room to move

Chicoso

Figel Narage wrote: »

I've always wondered how that works on a large scale like a Colombian exporter selling Cocaine to the Cartel, is it done on credit or deposit or how would it work?

I wonder when the Cartel sell it onto gangs in Ireland is it done the same way

You guys are all international drug traffickers right? You'd know well? Lol

Credit I'd say mostly all around

At your peril if you don't pay

smodgley

Apparently big raid by cops in Dublin this evening
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/garda-battering-ram-operation-thor-18412658#ICID=Android_App_DublinLiveAppShare

PLATOBONG

begbysback wrote: »

Its not uncommon for top athletes to be a bit short in the intelligence department, Wayne Rooney, Ronaldo, Beckham. Its usually the case where these are more focused on their sport from a very early age as opposed to schooling.

Same for top boxers Id imagine to some degree, there are exceptions to the rule of course, but they are exceptions - plus its harder on the boxers side, once they turn pro they have to worry about all sorts of people ripping them off, promoters/managers etc. To go with the easiest money is understandable to me in such a profession.

Just notice my 3 examples above all played for Man U, which kind of validates my point that bit more :pac::pac::pac:

Figel Narage

Chicoso wrote: »

You'd always be owing money to them

Cash tied up and with seizures prob a couple of deals behind

I've always wondered how that works on a large scale like a Colombian exporter selling Cocaine to the Cartel, is it done on credit or deposit or how would it work?

I wonder when the Cartel sell it onto gangs in Ireland is it done the same way

You guys are all international drug traffickers right? You'd know well? Lol

John_D3

DK played Conlan well. He signed his brother Jamie first who nobody else would of signed, Jamie was finished before Micheal signed and DK gave him a job for life at MTK, he is in Dubai many times a year. So when Micheal wen’t to sign pro Top Rank wanted him though he couldn’t go by his brother either who was running mtk here. So he signed with both. DK new everybody wanted Conlan and the way to get him was through Jamie.

Don Logan

Chris P Bacon wrote: »

Conlan is a clown, could of signed with anyone but chose these gangsters, I'd assume because they only charge 10%, he dosent seem the brightest to be fair big horses Delph on him, he looked better before he got the Turkey teeth.

Jono Carroll is another wet brain, posted a video a while ago of the drug money he received as payment all wrapped up in cling film .

Turkey teeth hahaha, I’ve heard it all now

begbysback

Chris P Bacon wrote: »

Conlan is a clown, could of signed with anyone but chose these gangsters, I'd assume because they only charge 10%, he dosent seem the brightest to be fair big horses Delph on him, he looked better before he got the Turkey teeth.

Jono Carroll is another wet brain, posted a video a while ago of the drug money he received as payment all wrapped up in cling film .

Its not uncommon for top athletes to be a bit short in the intelligence department, Wayne Rooney, Ronaldo, Beckham. Its usually the case where these are more focused on their sport from a very early age as opposed to schooling.

Same for top boxers Id imagine to some degree, there are exceptions to the rule of course, but they are exceptions - plus its harder on the boxers side, once they turn pro they have to worry about all sorts of people ripping them off, promoters/managers etc. To go with the easiest money is understandable to me in such a profession.

Just notice my 3 examples above all played for Man U, which kind of validates my point that bit more :pac::pac::pac:

Chris P Bacon

Conlan is a clown, could of signed with anyone but chose these gangsters, I'd assume because they only charge 10%, he dosent seem the brightest to be fair big horses Delph on him, he looked better before he got the Turkey teeth.

Jono Carroll is another wet brain, posted a video a while ago of the drug money he received as payment all wrapped up in cling film .

AmberGold

On another note is Kinahan involved in any legit business other than MTK, they owned a busy little bar near San Pedro which was closed down at the time of the raid.

Has to be a serious issue managing all that cash without putting it in a hole in the ground.

AmberGold

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its a good question. Would imagine the Bahrain royal family could provide a lot of the needed paperwork to clean money, they own and runs banks there.

Can't imagine with all the resources at the Bahrain Royals disposal they'd be into washing cash for scum. Their leader Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa has done a lot for womens rights and is progressive.

If the UAE boot him that's it in the region, he'll be off to Somalia next.

Muahahaha

yeah its the young lads who are chasing a dream who Id feel sorry for. They didnt sign up for this sh1t but if they dont go along with it they'll be cut.

The likes of Mick Cnnlon or Tyson Fury should have a bit more self respect for their own careers and what they've achieved. They're at the top of their game and they dont need DK. To hear a colossus like Fury licking Daniels hole as if that fight could never happen without him was like something out of the twilight zone. Its pretty sad really, they've sold their souls for money made off the back of a drug cartel ordering murders on the streets of Dublin, they know this. And Conlon with the tattoo of Jesus around his neck, the hypocrite.

Deco Barry

They're all scumbags,every single one of the especially the bigger names who would have made it without getting into bed with him

John_D3

Mtk boxers were contacted by there trainers and asked to share the regency video.

Some of them hadn’t even watched it, just shared it. Its an awkward place for some off them, you defiantly can’t blame them, for some its there only chance of fulfilling a life dream.

Chicoso

Figel Narage wrote: »

Yeah DK knows too much about them and his closer associates in order for them all to be cool with him retiring and if he did they would be worried about what happens to their buyer base now? Is he going to potentially go to the police and incriminate us? At the higher levels, there's no walking away from it

You'd always be owing money to them

Cash tied up and with seizures prob a couple of deals behind

Muahahaha

begbysback wrote: »

What other options are there for the boxers? Say no and give up something that means everything to them?

Boxers not to blame, the sport can only be reformed by those at the top running it, probably zero chance of that happening if they are directly benefiting. Sure look at the Premier League approving Mohamed bin Salman as a fit individual to own a football club when the CIA directly pointed the finger at him for ordering the torture and dismemberment of Jamal Khlashoggi in the Saudi embassy in Istanbul.

Still though its pretty cringeworthy watching these prize fighters coming out and licking Daniels hole on his instructions.

SEPT 23 1989

Sweet.Science wrote: »

All over mainstream UK media today

How did DK think this was a good idea

Ego ?

Does he use a lot of his own product?

begbysback

Deco Barry wrote: »

Thats exactly it,they get paid in cash.....blood money,one of the mtk fighters not so long ago had a photo with big wads of cash in plastic,cancer swiftly told him to remove it

I wouldn't be too hard on the boxers themselves, they've worked hard to get where they are and dream of big paydays, and are promised big fights. Theres always been questionable money in boxing, the only reason it matters here to some is that it is DK's money, and he allegedly has been involved in a bloody feud that has killed many.

What other options are there for the boxers? Say no and give up something that means everything to them?

Muahahaha

Im surprised a smart Youtuber hasnt yet taken that professionally produced video of the Regency into editing and re-jigged it a bit by adding a few newspaper headlines and tv reports to it and then re-release it. Flip it on its head as it were.

Figel Narage

judaspig wrote: »

You can't just tell the Mexicans, colombians and Turks that you aren't taking their gear anymore. That's not how it works in that world.

Yeah DK knows too much about them and his closer associates in order for them all to be cool with him retiring and if he did they would be worried about what happens to their buyer base now? Is he going to potentially go to the police and incriminate us? At the higher levels, there's no walking away from it