ILoveYourVibes wrote: » SF should be more vocal on the BLM protests but i guess all the people they get money from the states from are trumpers now.
FrancieBrady wrote: » And dark elements in FG of the period. However much you try to trivialise/whitewash it, there is this fact.https://www.lookleftonline.org/2010/08/fine-gaels-fascist-roots/ My view, expressed before, is acceptance that these things happened, Russell's stupid dalliance included. I point the finger at the generation not at single people or party's because it feeds into my bias. Discuss it all openly, or not at all.
blanch152 wrote: » So the Irish government was as bad as the Nazis?
Seriously, you can't just point the finger equally at everyone, that is the lame excuse that Sinn Fein use all the time. As always, there are degrees of culpability, and Russell is a particularly nasty figure from that time over a long period of association with Sinn Fein.
blanch152 wrote: » So the Irish government was as bad as the Nazis? Seriously, you can't just point the finger equally at everyone, that is the lame excuse that Sinn Fein use all the time. As always, there are degrees of culpability, and Russell is a particularly nasty figure from that time over a long period of association with Sinn Fein.
Deleted User wrote: » Was he not replaced by the ira by frank ryan (anniversairy today btw RIP) a man with some pretty serious anti facist credentials?
blanch152 wrote: » Borders bring smugglers, yes, that it true, nobody disputes that. In itself, that isn't reason to get rid of a border. However, the problem people have, is not the existence of borders or of smugglers that exploit them, it is the celebration of criminal smuggler thugs as "good republicans" as the former leader of Sinn Fein repeatedly did, and for which the current leadership refuse to apologise.
blackwhite wrote: » And who was quite happy to do a volte-face on those credentials to spend the last 4 years of his life living in Nazi Germany, working with the Nazis through the majority of WW2
Hubertj wrote: » you can use google. Did you really not know that? Only the US and Switzerland spend more.
blanch152 wrote: » About time, and to think he is still celebrated by many Sinn Fein supporters. A Nazi collaborator statue has no place.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No, it wouldn't. Despite Leo and FG trying to motivate a braying mob over the Russell statue, most people can see through it, I would say.
Chiparus wrote: » I did , I could not find it any where, are you confusing Ireland with Norway or Luxembourg perhaps?
paul71 wrote: » I would have thought Irelands high expenditure on Health was common knowledge, but to correct the previous poster I believe we are 5th not 3rd.
Bishop of hope wrote: » In terms of gdp our spend is low. In 2018 we were ranked 27th in that scale, well down the list. I don't imagine it's changed much since.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/state-among-highest-spenders-on-health-per-person-in-oecd-1.3547256
paul71 wrote: » GDP makes very little sense in measuring our spend because of the inclusion of multinational profits routed through Ireland which bear no correlation to economic activity in Ireland. We are 5th on per captia spend 5528(euro) in 2018, which incidentally is only barely behind Germany 5551(euro).
CorkRed93 wrote: » According to most economists we are, yes.
Bishop of hope wrote: » Our health service is poor for our spend anyway. Let that be mismanagement or poor governance. So GDP bears no correlation to economic activity in Ireland. That's a flawed statement or there is something terribly wrong with our tax system, your basically saying we are a tax haven so?
Chiparus wrote: » lets see, 5528 X 4.9 million -27 .1 billion?? Seems to be 10 billion over the official figure?
paul71 wrote: » It is total expenditure on health as published by WHO , private and public and is measured the same way as in all other countries. Take the US for example. 9900 per person per year, that is almost entirely private.
Bishop of hope wrote: » We might being racist and only counting citizens!
Chiparus wrote: » So private medicine is 13 billion in Ireland ? who knew?
paul71 wrote: » Not surprising really, add up all payouts by VHI and the other insurance companies and all money paid directly for private gp visits and prescriptions.
Chiparus wrote: » Still does not add up. €600 miliilion was the out of pocket cost for prescriptions that year for example.
paul71 wrote: » https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita Here you go, if you have any further doubts you can refer them to the professional statisticians of The World Health Organisation.
Chiparus wrote: » Or the people who supply them erroneous figures.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » All the parties have signed up to Sláintecare, which is a good start when trying to tackle the enormously complex problem that is healthcare. There two major issues that are making healthcare delivery and funding increasingly complex. One we have some control over, and the other is just a macro issue being witnessed worldwide. 1) We have far too many small hospitals. Hospitals like Our Ladies in Navan, Cavan Monagahan General Hospital etc. Places that provide almost no specialities, or else do them badly. They belong to the era of the horse and cart, nuns delivering babies, and TB outbreaks. Yet you'll have a load of slack-jawed yokels standing outside protesting if it's suggested that a specialist unit within the hospital is moved. We now have motorways and air ambulances. Regional hospitals might work as step-down facilities, but have no place offering acute services. WE need to build more large hospitals in major population centres - Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick. This is covered under Sláintecare. We even have the sites in many cases - Merlin Park in Galway was a former TB hospital that can provide a site for a large hospital with access to the motorway network. 2) People are living far longer. Modern medicine means people are living far longer, and have far better outcomes and chances of survival when they do get sick. This is putting enormous strain on our healthcare service (and on housing, but that's for another thread). This isn't unique to Ireland, and much vaunted healthcare systems like those in Canada and Finland are also struggling with this situation. There's no easy answers, and populist rhetoric in healthcare is particularly damaging to civil discourse as it promises things that can't be delivered.
paul71 wrote: » Rubbish, you are clutching at straws.
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