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Zgemma H7s Guide

basemann

After taking the decision to get rid of cable I took the plunge and bought a Sat box. I was going to buy a Tiviar Alpha Plus due to its support on here but they were sold out at world of satellite and they suggested the Zgemma as it had similar specs.

Here is my guide to anyone new to the Sat world after getting this box . I hope it will help get through the initial frustration and hurdles you have to overcome. The H7S is relatively new so it's not discussed as much as the alpha plus but with the same software installed most guides can be used for both. I think the alpha would be equally challenging to set up. It takes time and patience and reading so be prepared for a bit of work but it's very satisfying in the end.
Some of this will be obvious to Sat heads but it's meant as a guide for beginners like I was who have some knowledge of the basics. This is from memory so excuse any vagueness of detail.

Here are the main things I learned..

1. To get Saoirview and Uk channels on the same epg listing you need to scan Saoirview 1st then do a second scan of the UK channels ensuring that the option to delete any previous scans is switched off. By doing that you mesh the two together so they can be gathered in the auto bouquets. (This took me ages to figure out!)

2. To install a skin easily you can put the downloaded skin found on the net on a usb and put it in the usb slot while live TV is playing (without any menu open). That will get a prompt to install the skin. If that does not work a plugin like Dreambox found in the plugin section will show all the folders in the sat box and the USB drive can be found and opened to try the install. If that does not work you need to connet a PC and use software like Filezilla to access files on the box from a PC. It's quite easily done if you follow the online guides.

3. A lot of people want the SkyNEW skin for the sky feel (without the sky channels of course!) and it does work but be warned it will prob make your epg crash every time you try and use it. To fix that you need to download a patch file to repair it. Dont install that skin unless you are prepared for that. You will need prob to connect a PC to do that and put it in the correct folder as per the instructions from where it easily found in a google search in places such as techkings etc. You might have to register an email to download these but there's no fee. It looks good when fixed but to be honest other skins are better that the sky menu which is comforting at first but you might feel it unnecessary and lacking functionality after a bit, but that's a personal preference.

Once you get it set up to your requirements its a great machine and very fast with a super picture so it's highly recommended. I hope this helps someone!:)

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FlexMcMurphy

So you are running crossepg 0.8.7 on OpenATV 6.3 and getting a full 7 day epg?

Flex

Gerry Wicklow

FlexMcMurphy wrote: »

So you are running crossepg 0.8.7 on OpenATV 6.3 and getting a full 7 day epg?

Flex

Yes there was a glitch yesterday but it seems OK now, fully populated. CrossEPG has been flaky in recent months. If it wasn't for CH4HD I'd gladly ditch it.

FlexMcMurphy

I tried crossepg 0.6.2 and 0.8.7 on OpenATV 6.3 and 6.4 but it won't work for me on either. Zgemma h7s is great how it lets you multiboot so I also gave OpenVix a whirl and crossepg does work on it. I just don't like the look of OpenVix. It's like HDMU from back in 2012. So dated looking.

Image attached of my OpenATV 6.3 image info screen. Gerry, I wish I knew how you managed to get crossepg working on OpenATV? Can I ask what is your OpenATV 6.3 build and kernel number? Or have you any other hints?

One other question for anyone reading! Do you make your own channel list or use autobouquets? If so what settings do you use in AB? I've never used it before.

Cheers,

Flex

swoofer

have you tried 0.8.6 version of crossepg, it works for me on 6.3. What skin are you using?

FlexMcMurphy

Thanks for that info swoofer. When booted into OpenATV I use the Metrix HD skin.

Can you see the attachment in my last post showing my system details?
What date is your OpenATV 6.3 build?
What skin do you use?
Are you using a Zgemma H7S?
Would you have a link to the ipk for crossepg 0.8.6?

There are so many different versions of crossepg out there and not all will run on arm processors like the ZGemma has.

Cheers,

Flex

Gerry Wicklow

FlexMcMurphy wrote: »

.....
Gerry, I wish I knew how you managed to get crossepg working on OpenATV? Can I ask what is your OpenATV 6.3 build and kernel number? Or have you any other hints?...

Unfortunately prompted by boredom and curiosity, I went and tried openATV 6.4 again. So far it actually seems to be behaving. I was also dabbling with openVix. I agree with you, it's OK but not as good looking and not as good a selection of skins and plugins.

I don't use ABM as I've never seen the need for it. Given the number of complaints of it over-writing lists etc, I'd sooner do it manually for the very rare occasions that any channel of note changes.
If you have compiled a favourites list, the actual file(s) is the same for all images. You can manually copy them from image to image even if the backups aren't compatible.
Look for "userbouquet.favourites.tv" in /etc/enigma2/ but do so at your own risk!!!

swoofer

go here for 0.8.6

https://www.enigma2.net/plugin-crossepg-0-8-6/

The box is an et10000 here is a pic to compare.

FlexMcMurphy

No joy again. This is frustrating.

I don't know what is different about my setup compared with you, Swoofer and Gerry. I guess it could be drivers or underlying kernel version.

I copied the crossepg 0.8.6 ipk to /tmp and then went to install local ipk files from the OpenATV 6.3 menu. In the "Installing Software" screen I get this message:

"Done - Installed, upgraded or removed 0 packages(with 0 errors)"

When I go to the Plugin menu there is no entry for crossepg. Nothing in the EPG or Setup menus either. So it just doesn't install looks like.

I enabled the logs but no log is produced.

The Tiviar and Zgemma both use broadcom cpus so I would expect that plugin to be compatible with my set up.

I'm trying to find your exact version of OpenATV 6.3 (2020-02-03) online but can't. There might be changes to drivers and things in my 2020-06-08 version that is stopping crossepg.

Thank you,

Flex

swoofer

I have more than one box that pic was from an et10000. Did you do a reboot after the install and even do a full ie power off at back.

I have to out but look at this link

https://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?62607-Cross-EPG-on-H7s

FlexMcMurphy

Cheers. Yeah I read through that thread yesterday along with many other forum posts on the net.

But I've got crossepg working on OpenVix already. I'm being stubborn and wanting to get it working on OpenATV like you guys. Don't know why it's working for you on OpenATV and not me. Yes I rebooted the box. The plugin didn't seem to install at all when I tried that 0.8.6 ipk you linked me.

I'll keep at it.

Flex

crisco10

Newbie question, I have set AutoTimers for a few shows, but it doesn't update itself. I.e. it records the occurrences over the next week or so, but then I need to re-set the Autotimer.

Is there a setting to have the AutoTimer "check" for more occurrences and add them automatically?

Running OpenVix (and using EPG refresh if that matters)

swoofer

Flex, do you know about willow an grog builds over on tech kings?

swoofer

do you mean auto timers? Say the progs, what have you got in autotimers? What skin and image are you using?

crisco10

swoofer wrote: »

do you mean auto timers? Say the progs, what have you got in autotimers? What skin and image are you using?

Sorry yes. Oops!

At moment, the only autotuner I have regularly is In the night garden on CBeebies. But I don't think that's what your asking...?

Virtuosso image extreme apparently (came preloaded from WoS)

And youVIX-blue (1920 x 1080)

swoofer

Ok the image you have is known to all and many as Openvix but I just checked and lo and behold it does say Virtuoso etc so I have same image.

This is what you said first " I have set AutoTimers for a few shows" Then you say " At moment, the only autotuner I have regularly is In the night garden on CBeebies.

Autotimer is like series link in that its to record shows that run regularly, like eastenders, corrie, emmerdale, match of the day etc. So you have to practice. Normally you hit epg and read along bottom of screen. Different images and different skins give different options. And as you have same image and skin as me this is how it works.

1. Hit epg, at bottom you have green for timer and blue for autotimer, green is just a one off recording, blue is when you have a series to record. hit blue and follow instructions.

Then for a start go menu timers, autotimers ok then hit menu and have a good read, its all in there.

FlexMcMurphy

Swoofer, no I had never heard of "willow an grog builds over on tech kings" but I took a look. I ended up trying the Wooshbuild which is the same thing I think. You start with an OpenATV image then run an installer and supposedly you will be up and running with channels, picons and plugins in a few minutes.. not exactly my experience.

Wooshbuild sets up an epg extension called: epgimporter. First impressions is it might be "grand" for my needs but it's not giving a completely full epg of the FTA 28.2 channels like crossepg does. Some channels only go to 6 days even though I ask for 7. Some channels get no epg at all. I also don't like that it requires an internet connection to get epg from "Rytec" xml sources rather than just using the transponder on the dish from the "OpenTV" sources like crossepg does.

At this stage my choice is to stick with Openvix because crossepg works on it or Openatv and accept epgimporter as it is.

Did you set up your OpenATV image (with crossepg working) using the willow and grog build?

Flex

swoofer

I set boxes up from scratch, I did set up a few Zgemma H2s and used the grog build as those boxes are tricky. People always want the sky look so I just use that and combine the epg for saorview and 28east, they tell me the channels that they always watch so I put those into favourites at the top and then buttons can open either rte1 or bbc etc. The grog build has epgimpoter and no crossepg.

What exactly are you trying to achieve, and can you say the channels you are not getting epg data for, I never check 6 days in advance?

Your box came preloaded so for me I would ask for no image and then build from the start, so for openatv 6.3 I would see what loaded and then add bits. Adding the Kiddac sly skin is the tricky bit.

Say what you are trying to achieve and I'll have a double check. I have a few boxes but do very little recording, the xtrend 10000 is for SWMBO and it has a 500gb ssd and it flies.

Gerry Wicklow

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SkySter

Thinking of ordering a H7s to replace my venerable Amiko Alien which is on its last legs.

I have two questions:

1. I have a 1TB external USB drive plugged into the Amiko which has a lot of recordings I'd like to keep. Can I just swap the external drive over to the ZGemma and carry on as before using it as my recording device?
2. If I use this external drive is there any need to have an internal drive fitted?

FlexMcMurphy

swoofer wrote: »

What exactly are you trying to achieve, and can you say the channels you are not getting epg data for, I never check 6 days in advance?

I am trying to get crossepg running on OpenATV 6.4 such that I get a 7 day epg on fta channels on 28.2 on a ZGemma H7S.

Gerry...
Thanks soo much for sending on a backup image of your working setup. I flashed it to my Zgemma and indeed you have crossepg working on OpenATV 6.4. Brilliant! I don't know what is wrong with my box.. I have the same OpenATV as you... version 6.4 Build: 20200607 and I go to the plugin feeds and install the systemplugin: cross epg 0.8.7 However when I do that it seems to install but crashes when I go to run the plugin. A similar error is reported here.

However, using your backup I also managed to get crossepg running on another OpenATV 6.4 install I have in another slot in the Zgemma. I copied the /usr/crossepg and /usr/lib/enigma2/python/Plugins/SystemPlugins/crossepg folders from your image to an OpenATV 6.4 install I have in another slot. I restarted the box and then it worked!

Well thanks a lot for your help swoofer and Gerry,

Flex

FlexMcMurphy

SkySter wrote: »

Thinking of ordering a H7s to replace my venerable Amiko Alien which is on its last legs.

I have two questions:

1. I have a 1TB external USB drive plugged into the Amiko which has a lot of recordings I'd like to keep. Can I just swap the external drive over to the ZGemma and carry on as before using it as my recording device?
2. If I use this external drive is there any need to have an internal drive fitted?

Hello SkySter,

1. Yes
I just switched from an Amiko Alien2 to a ZGemma H7S. I was able to plug my external usb hard drive with lots of movie recordings from the Alien2 into the Zgemma and continue using the same drive and watch recordings on it.
2. There isn't any need to have an internal drive fitted. If you wanted to make several simultaneous recordings or use the Timeshift feature (pause live TV) then an internal drive is better. They are not expensive and I installed one myself, easily done.

By the way, I have re-purposed my Alien2 as a Sat/IP server. I plug feeds from the aerial and dish into it and run minisatip on it instead of an enigma2 image. You can get all the same free to air satellite and saorview channels by streaming them from the Alien box to a device running Kodi... but that is a topic for another thread!

Flex

FlexMcMurphy

My problem with getting crossepg to work on OpenATV was that I wasn't restarting the Zgemma AFTER installing the crossepg plugin!

I was trying to run crossepg right after installing it. But if you don't restart the Zgemma first then crossepg just crashes.

Flex

swoofer

aha, look at post 70.

Did box come with multiboot preloaded and was it the price that decided you?

Glad you are sorted.

I have solo2 and with nothing to do was thinking of dabbling with multiboot.

FlexMcMurphy

I was trying so many things. But I did restart the box at one point and even plugged it out as you suggested. I think that was when I was trying other crossepg versions I was finding on the web that I don't think were compatible with the Zgemma. The version in the plugin feeds is the only one I should have been trying!

This I think is the cheapest place to get a ZGemma H7S. But I paid a little more and bought from WoS to get the two year warranty.

It came with OpenATV 6.4 in slot 1. There are 4 slots to play with which is really useful. You can switch between images in no time. I have OpenVix and two versions of OpenATV and now I'm setting up Pur E2. First impressions I really like its GUI which is modeled on Kodi. I find it easier to read the menus on it compared to the OpenATV Metrix HD skin. Actually the Simple_Ten-Eighty skin on Openvix gives me the least eye strain but I think it looks so dated.

Flex

Schorpio

Hi Lads,

Enigma2 newbie here. Got a H7S delivered from WoS at the weekend, and thanks to lots of lurking in this thread, was able to set it fairly well. Currently have ABM creating bouquets for Saorview and Freesat. I'll need to set up a favourites list to combine both services into a single EPG, but think I should be able to do that easily enough when I get time to sit down and put together the xml file. 2 questions for ye:

- Is it possible to easily amend channel numbers? Right now, mine are a bit all over the place. The Saorview channels are correctly numbered, but the UK channels have numbers in the thousands. The EPG order perfectly mirrors freesat (i.e. BB2 follows BBC1, with ITV after) thanks to ABM, but the numbering is off.

- Does ABM automatically add new services when they arrive to freesat? For example, will Pick HD automatically appear on my box, or will I have to do a full clear and re-scan periodically to pick up changes?

Thanks all.

dulpit

Schorpio wrote: »

Hi Lads,

Enigma2 newbie here. Got a H7S delivered from WoS at the weekend, and thanks to lots of lurking in this thread, was able to set it fairly well. Currently have ABM creating bouquets for Saorview and Freesat. I'll need to set up a favourites list to combine both services into a single EPG, but think I should be able to do that easily enough when I get time to sit down and put together the xml file. 2 questions for ye:

- Is it possible to easily amend channel numbers? Right now, mine are a bit all over the place. The Saorview channels are correctly numbered, but the UK channels have numbers in the thousands. The EPG order perfectly mirrors freesat (i.e. BB2 follows BBC1, with ITV after) thanks to ABM, but the numbering is off.

I've used this previously: https://echannelizer.com/

Note: on my ABM I use the Sky FTA setup, and Sky 101 becomes (for me) 1101 in the main bouquet. Not sure if that applies all the way up though.

Schorpio wrote: »

- Does ABM automatically add new services when they arrive to freesat? For example, will Pick HD automatically appear on my box, or will I have to do a full clear and re-scan periodically to pick up changes?

Thanks all.

I did a quick re-scan there with ABM (after updating provider files) and it wasn't received, but I assume they will be updated in due course and it will filter through...

swoofer

this is Pick HD on test but you will only see a number 5829, I just rename it, this was found by dublinman in broadcasting

12363 V 27500
FEC 2/3
S2 8PSK
SID 5829

Schorpio

dulpit wrote: »

I've used this previously: https://echannelizer.com/

Note: on my ABM I use the Sky FTA setup, and Sky 101 becomes (for me) 1101 in the main bouquet. Not sure if that applies all the way up though.

Yeah, that's the same as what I'm getting. RTE1 is on channel 1, 1101 is BBC1. It basically matches the freesat numbering, but with an extra 1 in front of it.

paulhardman

Schorpio wrote: »

Yeah, that's the same as what I'm getting. RTE1 is on channel 1, 1101 is BBC1. It basically matches the freesat numbering, but with an extra 1 in front of it.

First thing to check is to put your bouquet that you want to use the most at the top of the list; connect to openwebif on your box and go to BouquetEditor, then drag and drop. There is also a setting to change to 'alternative channel numbering', which starts each bouquet at 1 rather than 1000, this might help you?

Personally what I did was to modify a Freesat All Channels bouquet created by ABM, and put the Irish channels in the 401+ range, which is unused by Freesat. It took a bit of manual counting of blank channels! Shout up if you want to know exactly how I did it.

FlexMcMurphy

Hi Schorpio,

Yes, with the OpenWebIf bouquet editor you can create your own favourites channels lists or edit existing ones created by ABM.

Don't know if you want to add channel logos (picons) as well? You can get lists of them online. You add them to a folder on the Zgemma such as /picon and tell the enigma2 image where to look for them.

As swoofer mentioned e-channelizer that lets you sort your channels into lists as well and to add channel logos (or picons) to any channels missing them. It's a bit of extra work but looks well when done. Screenshots attached.

Flex