markodaly wrote: » SF had a pact with other parties to run DCC from 2014-2019. Do you deny this? FG are not involved and have no pact with other parties running DCC at present. Do you deny this? Lets start with the basics again and we can go from there.
blanch152 wrote: » You are still denying facts, so a discussion is pointless. Fine Gael share responsibility for the D4 apartments to the same degree that Sinn Fein share responsibility for all of the austerity measures.
Bowie wrote: » It's akin to the South Park Chewbacca defence. Getting desperate and silly now. See above.
Bowie wrote: » Neither here nor there and not relevant.
I do not believe that is the case.
The last pact I was involved in was when Labour, of which I was a member, agreed with others to make a FG councilor Mayor of Dublin and it's my understanding that pacts are negotiated on a case by case.
Nobody is legally obliged to vote any particular way.
Also it simply isn't believable that FG have sat on their hands during every council meeting and disagreed with every decision the council made.
JohnnyFlash wrote: » Is acknowledging you are wrong something you have difficulty with in the real world as well, or is it more an online thing? Is it part of the Matt Barrett/Bowie DNA?
blanch152 wrote: » Is that what you call your position now? We started with you claiming that Donnybrook was in South Dublin County Council, and incredibly it went downhill from there. What do you call a defence where someone refuses to stop doubling down on their mistake?
markodaly wrote: » Of course, who runs the council is not relevant at all :pac::P:D:p If we were to take your position, SF are just as responsible as FG over the past 10 years, cause SF has some TD's.. or something..:p You can believe in a flying spaghetti monster if you want, it doesn't make it true. Ah, so you were a Labour member? Tell us, when was this pact agreed? Was it before 2014? :P Yes, pacts are agreed to at the start of the Council Term. So essentially agree with me now, because SF had a pact with other parties in 2014-2019 and now FF, Greens, Labour and SD's have a pact to run DCC now. This is how government works. This is politics 101. The fact you don't understand this is literally astounding. Who said they did. A TD can vote whatever way they want. Also it simply isn't believable that SF have sat on their hands during every Dail/Oireachtas meeting and disagreed with every decision the government made. :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:
To help people in this situation, Budget 2019 provided the largest affordability package in a decade at €310m. This investment will be used to service local authority land so that homes can be built on that land, and then sold at a discount to people, with the Local Authority retaining an equity share in the home. This will provide 6,200 new homes over the next three years. It must be acknowledged though that there are different definitions of affordability based on geography, income and family circumstances and the problem does not impact all areas equally. For example, roughly one-in-two first time buyers in the 12 months to June 2018, purchased homes for less than €250,000 and average house prices in some regions and many counties are less than €200,000. Therefore, this investment will be targeted at Local Authorities in our major urban areas. As part of our plans to use state lands more efficiently, we have mandated the Land Development Agency to bring vacant and underutilised land into use for housing. Where this is done, at least 30% of those homes will be made available through an affordable housing scheme, in addition to at least 10% of those homes being council homes. These homes will be provided at a discount and the state retains an equity stake in the home reflecting the discount.https://www.finegael.ie/our-policies/a-housing-system-with-the-citizen-at-the-centre/
Bowie wrote: » I do not beleve FG councilors, Ministers and government have no say in housing allocation and enacting government policy. A policy they are on record as supporting, (having some social in private developments). Simples.
Bowie wrote: » You are ignoring: PBP run DCC? FG councilors have zero say. FG government have zero say. Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Authorities has zero say. Government policy stating private builds must include social, nothing to do with any of the above I'll remind you of this next time Eoghan has his sleeves rolled up
markodaly wrote: » It's like a parody at this stage. Interestingly you always refuse to answer a direct question.
Bowie wrote: » Government policy stating private builds must include social, nothing to do with any of the above
Mortelaro wrote: » You can not believe whatever you want,it doesn't change law or reality Name the councillors and what you think they've done You will be sued
blanch152 wrote: » This is one you have repeatedly put forward as a reason to criticise Fine Gael. Let us examine the details of the provision. This country has had a bad history with ghettos and poorly thought-out developments (put in place by FF governments) such as Ballymun flats and Darndale that created long-term social problems. In response to this, an innovative proposal whereby developers were required to make available 10%(?) of a development to the local authority so that the local authority could ensure mixed development i.e. social housing mixed in with private housing to avoid the mistakes of the past. Are you really against this or is it just another one of your kneejerk anti-FG positions? More crucially, what is your serious workable proposal to avoid a repeat of the problems of Ballymun?
Bowie wrote: » ... Ironically allocating social housing is great. Well done FG for the part they played. This gripe you lads have is on the one hand you like to give out about them that won't work getting goodies, but then try get FG off the hook for said goodies. It's indefensible lads....
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Pretty clear whats going to happen 1. New Election or 2. After Talks fall apart FF will jump ship and join up with SF (many FF TDs and members want this already) Its killing Leo and the lads. Suppose he can go drink on the streets since its ok to do so.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Let’s mark this post for reference to later. What is killing Leo and the lads, how do you know this. Time this kind of posting was stamped out.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » And it would be the very same if they were running the country. Their priorities are all symbolism, flags, slogans usually relevant 50 years ago. You are correct, Sir.
Bowie wrote: » Ask marko to explain how FG councilors contribute nothing, FG government is not responsible for government policy and the Minister of Housing, Planning and Local authorities is not responsible for Housing, Planning and Local authorities
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Why you and your FG pals can have a go at SF in every 2nd post but people cant have a go at FG. Thats the way they want things to work Its killing him that he lost power in the election results, thought he might be able to actually save himself, and now he knows its game over. His desperation to have a pop at SF at every opportunity is actually admirable.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » You need to back up your assertions Leo is on record as saying he did not want to go into Govt. What ‘game’ is over? His ‘desperation’ to have a pop at SF is debatable as he knows they are totally irrelevant .Just trying to ‘stir up’ up unsubstantiated rhetoric and keep the thread alive to continue to punch out unsubstantiated rhetoric against FG doesn’t fool anyone. Doesn’t butter any parsnips around these parts.
FrancieBrady wrote: » All the speculation may now be moot...Eamonn Ryan may have scuttled the whole charade. Green party imploding.
RandomViewer wrote: » Is this about him dropping the N word? 11 years too late but he might be gone
dundalkfc10 wrote: » No reply to my other message (SHOCK) I have backed it up, Its plain to see. The people gave Sinn Fein more seats than FG, The people see it too. If somebody is so irrelevant, why does he feel the need to have a go at them all the time. That is someone scared! The bit in bold is whats been done and said about SF for years, and came back to bite FG in the arse in the election. Thats a FACT!
StackSteevens wrote: » Catherine Martin and her husband and her brother must be rubbing their hands together with glee! The Rhino has just gifted her a couple of hundred extra votes - if not more -for the coming leadership election. Time for Eamo to fall on his scimitar.
Amirani wrote: » Party chairperson Hazel Chu used it on Twitter a short while back. Bit hypocritical for that to be overlooked...https://twitter.com/hazechu/status/1160525081417850880
