FrancieBrady wrote: » Is google an alien country to you Shef?http://www.londonirishunity.com/events/towards-a-united-ireland-conference/https://www.angrianan.com/event/towards-a-united-ireland/https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/1520725717997054/
FrancieBrady wrote: » Not on my telly and not in my area, they are the organisers of frequent disscussions about this.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Really? when and where?
Shefwedfan wrote: » I don't think UI would happen over a short period. If you followed the thread I have said a few times no point in having a referrendum at the cost of millions till they sort out the basic.
We have the likes of SF on TV going on about a vote on UI and ask them the basic questions and they disappear.
Before any referendum the politicians on both sides of border need to sit down, with the UK government and at least have a discussion on how it would work out
Pushing a vote forward which if voted in would see mass unemployment and huge tax increases would be a disaster for Ireland and set both regions back years.
I have said numerous times, if we expect SF to be the party to bring around a UI then we will never have one, they can't even arrange a sit down with the PBP. It took them 3 years of pi**ing around to get the northern assembly back....not really a party that has any history of negoatiations
maccored wrote: » i find this quite a backward thought process, but it fits in with the ludicrous idea that the path to a UI would happened over a short period of time, rather than a longer, planned out evolution. instead of viewing a UI as two things stuck together, the idea has to be completely re-done from scratch. nothing is going to happen until the whole country discusses it and figures out what that new Ireland is going to be like and how it will operate. The north exists mainly because of ego and power, not for having an efficient economy. it cant be made work - which is the big elephant in the corner you seem to be blind to.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » In my opinion the lad has a valid and pertinent point.
maccored wrote: » jaysus your really desperate to push the (increasingly incorrect) stereotype, but go you
Shefwedfan wrote: » I bet if you review this entire thread and previous version you will have a large number of posts from a couple of posters. None of which deal with the main issue about a United Ireland Mass unemployment in Northern Ireland and high tax in Republic of Ireland If a UI happened tomorrow morning that’s what you would end up with. I personally don’t see why people in north would vote if they know they will end up jobless Plus I don’t see why people in Rep would either if they end up with another tax to pay...... Unless SF and DUP sort their sh*t out and move more people out of public employment and bring Northern Ireland on a par with the south they are the issues Cue name calling in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Shefwedfan wrote: » Are we closer than ever? Lets see how close we are when the people of Northern Ireland realise they will have mass unemployment and the people of Rep of Ireland will be hit with more taxes to try and support the North.Even our friendly SF supporter, when they get a chuck taken out of their social welfare money. Lets see then how close we are.
Shefwedfan wrote: » So when Francie? By the current rate of progression I would say sometime in 2070 SF might have done something decent for the people of the north What’s your time lines?
FrancieBrady wrote: » If a UI happened tomorrow, yes it would be a mess. Nobody only you is advocating one tomorrow.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Francie is a high quality content poster though??....he posts always politely,informed,factual info....forum.needs more like him While you were unaware that SF were involved in negociating the GFA,while discussing it in regards to a utd ireland?? Everyone needs on taking a leaf out of that lads book
FrancieBrady wrote: » In fairness I defend general republican issues rather than SF. I don't defend SF economic policy or some of their social policy dithering.
Shefwedfan wrote: » I posted once about SF and immediate reaction. I could have guessed the posters. I haven't been on this forum for over two weeks yet you accuse me of devoting my time. Think you need to rethink that one The bit in bold......:p:p:p
Deleted User wrote: » Its impressive,the way this lad devotes so much time and energy to a political party... While franciebrady (high quality content poster) defends them to hilt,shef attacks incessemtly to extent,if they found cure for cancer,he'd likely complain them about putting doctors outta jobs :pac: I personally enjoy this fanatical posting,its great to see a different view too Be somewhat taken aback,if they turn out to be same person
BonnieSituation wrote: » Right... So it's SF's fault we aren't nearer to a UI than we were in 1998? And there's me thinking we were closer than ever? Crocodiles eating curried yogurt is all they are! What would be an acceptable measure here for you? Honestly, I couldn't give a shoite about your SF obsession. It's bordering on fanatical at this stage.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Honestly, I couldn't give a shoite about your SF obsession. It's bordering on fanatical at this stage.
Shefwedfan wrote: » As I posted, the only chance of a United Ireland is if FF and FG go to the DUP and UK government about it.
Shefwedfan wrote: » The Good Friday was because of FF, Labour, Clinton, Mitchell and John Hume.
Shefwedfan wrote: » What have SF done to progress a United Ireland since the Good Friday agreement?
Have they managed to mend any bridges with the wider Northern Ireland community?
Have they managed to progress NI in terms of jobs/employment etc?
Think about it, what are the chances they will do any better in the next 10 years?
BonnieSituation wrote: » None of this makes any sense.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You're a loon. There was no Good Friday 'Agreement' without SF. There was one without the DUP though.
Shefwedfan wrote: » As I posted, the only chance of a United Ireland is if FF and FG go to the DUP and UK government about it. Unfortuneatly at the moment SF spent a lot of time shouting about it but doing nothing to assist in the transition to a United Ireland. SF are part of the conversation as they are supposed to be part of the government in Northern Ireland. So discussing a UI will have to involve SF. Same as all the rest of the parties had to get the Good Friday agreement in place and then bring in SF, but if you listen to SF now they openly say they brought around the GF agreement. In reality, the best option for the North if they want to join the Rep is kick out SF out of power sharing, then the proper politicians could work together
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