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The Troubles and Irish Accents

PTH2009

Something I've always wondered In the UK during the height of the troubles would all Irish accents be looked down upon by some people or was it just those from the North

Probably a lot of people in the UK dont know much about the south of Ireland

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Ipso

odyssey06 wrote: »

No... but from soaps \ footballers etc on TV Irish people might pick up on say strong Scouse, Geordie, Brummie accents.

mick087

kenmm wrote: »

They thought you were a whisky?

It's great - a thread about the ignorance of our neighbours, showing the ignorance about our neighbours!

I dont know if it was Ignorance, they just didnt care where i was from. I was a local in the pub and a guy from somersets name was Oo Are, a chap from London was called paddy becauuse his gran dad was from Ireland. In fact most had some sort of nick name.

[Deleted User]

mick087 wrote: »

I dont know if it was Ignorance, they just didnt care where i was from. I was a local in the pub and a guy from somersets name was Oo Are, a chap from London was called paddy becauuse his gran dad was from Ireland. In fact most had some sort of nick name.

I think it was on the military forum on here a while back.

A lad joined the British army and at first was really put out by constantly being called a paddy bastard. Then he realised his fellow new recruits were the jock bastard, the scouse bastard, the cockney bastard.......

cj maxx

Aegir wrote: »

I think it was on the military forum on here a while back.

A lad joined the British army and at first was really put out by constantly being called a paddy bastard. Then he realised his fellow new recruits were the jock bastard, the scouse bastard, the cockney bastard.......

There was an ex sqaddy used to drink in the Irish pub I worked in called Paddy. He was from Dublin. It was only after a while I found out it wasn't his name but what he was called in the army.

Ipso

The Royal Irish Fusileers must have been a confusing place.

mick087

Aegir wrote: »

I think it was on the military forum on here a while back.

A lad joined the British army and at first was really put out by constantly being called a paddy bastard. Then he realised his fellow new recruits were the jock bastard, the scouse bastard, the cockney bastard.......

Well yes there be much truth in this, at the time i would of been a regular and the nick names was defentley was a sign affection, there was no malice to anyone with these names. The brummies had nick names for each other as did guys from other countries cites.

Hamsterchops

Mad_maxx wrote: »

All unionists bar sharkey

What, Fergal Sharkey was the only non Unionist in the Undertones :eek:

Anyway, can English people really can't tell the difference between a Nordie Unionist accent & a Nordie Nationalist accent? I don't think they care.

callmehal

English people don't count anyone from Northern Ireland as British for the most part. That's why there was never much uproar over the number of murders committed by the British army up there. Imagine if that was happening anywhere else in the uk!

odyssey06

callmehal wrote: »

English people don't count anyone from Northern Ireland as British for the most part. That's why there was never much uproar over the number of murders committed by the British army up there. Imagine if that was happening anywhere else in the uk!

Wales could disappear into the sea and it would barely make a headline in London...
Much rejoicing as the English border now gets a sea view.

mick087

callmehal wrote: »

English people don't count anyone from Northern Ireland as British for the most part. That's why there was never much uproar over the number of murders committed by the British army up there. Imagine if that was happening anywhere else in the uk!

When i was living in the UK i think this was true, Most british people didnt know the diferernce between Ireland and Northern Ireland. I dont think this is true today most people would know the difference. I have friends come over every year and it the 90s they was afraid they would be blown up.

Granadino

callmehal wrote: »

English people don't count anyone from Northern Ireland as British for the most part. That's why there was never much uproar over the number of murders committed by the British army up there. Imagine if that was happening anywhere else in the uk!

Plenty of them think all of Ireland is still part of Britain. They did pre Brexit anyhow.

mick087

Granadino wrote: »

Plenty of them think all of Ireland is still part of Britain. They did pre Brexit anyhow.

I wouldnt go that far, i didnt find that when i was living there. But when i was in the early 90s and the friends i made would admit this, they had no idea Ireland was split.

John Doe1

PTH2009 wrote: »

Something I've always wondered In the UK during the height of the troubles would all Irish accents be looked down upon by some people or was it just those from the North

Probably a lot of people in the UK dont know much about the south of Ireland

Define southern accent?

Im from east donegal and my accent is indistuishable from someone from Derry/West Tyrone

Also northern ireland is in the UK and i dont think they would look down upon their own accent?

[Deleted User]

Had family living in the east end in the 80s and 90s and the IRA cause a lot of disruption in London at the time, they were on a nearby bus when one of the big bombs were off the were always conscious of staying quite if the was disruption as they did not want anyone to here there accent.

Ipso

John Doe1 wrote: »

Define southern accent?

Im from east donegal and my accent is indistuishable from someone from Derry/West Tyrone

Also northern ireland is in the UK and i dont think they would look down upon their own accent?

The through the gap accent is shocking.

kenmm

Granadino wrote: »

Plenty of them think all of Ireland is still part of Britain. They did pre Brexit anyhow.

I don't think so.. more they don't really care about Ireland in general.

The Irish care a lot more about the British for sure.

kravmaga

PTH2009 wrote: »

Something I've always wondered In the UK during the height of the troubles would all Irish accents be looked down upon by some people or was it just those from the North

Probably a lot of people in the UK dont know much about the south of Ireland

Southern Ireland is a region not a country, its real name is called The Republic of Ireland , ROI.

When I lived in the UK, I had to keep correcting English people who kept referring to , Oh your from Southern Ireland.

Would you be English by any chance?;)

kenmm

kravmaga wrote: »

Southern Ireland is a region not a country, its real name is called The Republic of Ireland , ROI.

When I lived in the UK, I had to keep correcting English people who kept referring to , Oh your from Southern Ireland.

Would you be English by any chance?;)

Don't you mean "Wouldn't you be Southern British by chance?"

Meself

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’m not. I’m talking about the Nordie accent. The Tyrone one in particular sounds like someone is doing something illegal to a donkey from behind.

Clearly jaded by a Tyrone lass ðŸ™„.

Feisar

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of the nordie accents are disgusting in fairness. Especially when coupled with their belligerent and aggressive tone, propensity for anger, and small minded pettiness.

I work with a load of Derry men, about as decent a bunch as you'll come across.

[Deleted User]

There's often a bit of a desire to be offended about this very issue. Realistically the English don't give a hoot if you are from the North of Ireland or the South, but why should they give a fck? It doesn't make them stupid by any means.
By the way an English person in Ireland is much more likely to experience xenophobia than an Irish person in England.

Kylta

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

There's often a bit of a desire to be offended about this very issue. Realistically the English don't give a hoot if you are from the North of Ireland or the South, but why should they give a fck? It doesn't make them stupid by any means.
By the way an English person in Ireland is much more likely to experience xenophobia than an Irish person in England.

I bet that's not true, If so why do the visit here in thousands. The only time I've ever heard an english tourist moan about ireland is when there been ripped off with the pricewise. Like many many many people in this country i've english cousins who come over yearly to visit or vice versa. Its not the british people that were the enemy of this country, it was the british goverment and establishment. Most people in these islands have the own life issues, that all people want at the end of the day is to relax, enjoy themselves and have a bit of banter. Most british people see ireland a home from home. After all their seed most probably came from this country over the generations

[Deleted User]

Kylta wrote: »

Well never one to let things slide, and to cause some good natured ( good nature I said) banter. The dublin accent is a beautifully natural accent. Then followed by the other Leinster accents.

There's such variation in Dublin accents though........... Sharon Ní Bheoláin and Imelda May for instance

Might as well be from different continents IMO.

Hamsterchops

Kylta wrote: »

Most british people see ireland a home from home. After all their seed most probably came from this country over the generations

Having lived in both islands (Ireland & GB) I can safely say that they do indeed see Ireland as a home from home, as they look upon us as close family because of those blood ties you speak of, plus our close proximity. Don't forget, that seed you speak of goes both ways too, many Irish people with English, Norman & Cromwellian seed inside them

Accents are great.

cgcsb

In my experience (the mid 2010s), young people in England didn't remember the troubles. They know that Ireland has a 'north and a south' and they view it as two countries of the same people waring with eachother, similar to North-South Korea. They don't know that the conflict is internal between 2 communities in the north. They know religion has a role to play but aren't sure which side is which. They generally don't know that either the north or south is a part of the UK, they viewed the UK's involvement in the conflict as being that of peacekeeper between North and South.

Then brexit happened, Arlene became known in England and everything changed. Even the not so trashy newspapers were highly critical of Ireland and all the anti Irish bile came out in the wash. They denounced the DUP aswell as the Irish Government for 'holding the UK to ransom'. Arlene was almost entirely referred to as Irish by the press.

Kylta

Augeo wrote: »

There's such variation in Dublin accents though........... Sharon Ní Bheoláin and Imelda May for instance
Might as well be from different continents IMO.

One is upper class and has that distinct english snobbery effect.
The other is middle class and has that rough it sound. But isn't it beautiful and I do declare the proper dublin accent.
Hey I just started a civil war in dublin over the accent... I'm just brilliant

[Deleted User]

Kylta wrote: »

I bet that's not true, If so why do the visit here in thousands. The only time I've ever heard an english tourist moan about ireland is when there been ripped off with the pricewise. Like many many many people in this country i've english cousins who come over yearly to visit or vice versa. Its not the british people that were the enemy of this country, it was the british goverment and establishment. Most people in these islands have the own life issues, that all people want at the end of the day is to relax, enjoy themselves and have a bit of banter. Most british people see ireland a home from home. After all their seed most probably came from this country over the generations

It is definitely true that they are more likely to experience xenophobia here than an Irish person in the UK. That's not to say that many or most English people will experience xenophobia here, but it's far more likely than an Irish person there. I say this as an Irish person who lived in the UK for many years and who often brings friends and business associates from the UK to Dublin and Clare.

Hamsterchops

People living in Northern Ireland are also living in the UK, so maybe we should clarify that Britain is where many Irish people head to to live and work.

Britain is a separate island to Ireland, the term UK muddys the context and the message somewhat.

[Deleted User]

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

There's often a bit of a desire to be offended about this very issue. Realistically the English don't give a hoot if you are from the North of Ireland or the South, but why should they give a fck? It doesn't make them stupid by any means.
By the way an English person in Ireland is much more likely to experience xenophobia than an Irish person in England.

I've a few English friends even back when I did security in Dublin and they didn't get any hassle or crap for being English. Can't say the same for myself and Irish friends living in England or Scotland from working in security to lecturing in universities.

They majority are grand lovely people, but there's a streak of them that are complete arseholes that has nothing to do with social or educational background.

El Weirdo

kravmaga wrote: »

Southern Ireland is a region not a country, its real name is called The Republic of Ireland , ROI.

When I lived in the UK, I had to keep correcting English people who kept referring to , Oh your from Southern Ireland.

Would you be English by any chance?;)

No it isn't.