Mortelaro wrote: » He didnt lie saying the IRA killed blacks too That black lives only matter when they're killed by anyone other than the IRA is what Blanch parsed from that,I'd imagine correctly That he holds that view doesn't matter to me? Correct I couldn't care less That you're feeding the opposite narrative to what was planned with this mornings group crib notes ? Yes that's unfortunate (for you)
blanch152 wrote: » Is anyone representing the RUC or those loyalists groups running for election here? NO is the answer. If they ever do, I will have the same questions and the same distaste for them too.
McMurphy wrote: » The IRA are gone, the GFA has been signed and delivered on well over twenty years ago, so it's not a very well laid out argument. Republican people/Nationalists have accepted that an ex member of the same RUC the head of the Garda. If foster still has a grudge against SF because of what you claim, then she should not be in the job she's in imo.
Mortelaro wrote: » I didnt make any claim on PBP Councils are run by pact 2014 to 2019,the pact on DCC was between SF,Labour and the greens Since may 19,its been FF lab,green and soc dems Regarding Donnybrook Some of it including its main street is in Dublin City Council yes So whoever's said it's in the city council area is actually largely right RTE is in the South Dublin council The boundary on the old N11 is at the Rugby club northwards as you head onto its main street
blanch152 wrote: » You can have that opinion, I can have mine that it is not all in the past. So can Arlene and Flanagan and anyone else. The IRA are not gone, the leadership still exists, the people involved in Sinn Fein are cut from the same cloth, there is a deep nasty underbelly to Sinn Fein, those are all legitimate opinions to hold.
blanch152 wrote: » South Dublin County Council look after Donnybrook?.??? Tell that to the folks in the rugby club or the RDS. I know your posts are generally fact-free zones, but that is funny.
McMurphy wrote: » Yeah opinions are like rectums - everyone has one. Yours always seems to side with that of a partitionist point of view, hence how you always seem to side with the likes of Foster. When you're ready to move on let me know.
Bowie wrote: » . And it's not true that FG had nothing to do with the Donnybrook apartment allocation. Simples.
Bowie wrote: » SF and PBP run neither.
Just 155 of the 73,000 who answered the Ireland’s call have started work The Irish Daily Mail previously revealed that the workers were being outsourced to a third party recruitment company – CPL Resources – and employed on temporary three-month contracts with no security of tenure or access to bereavement or sick pay. ‘The evidence is growing that despite all the praise that the Government has heaped on healthcare workers, it hasn’t been matched with real support and protection for healthcare workers who volunteered to put themselves at the frontline during the crisis.' ‘Despite all the rhetoric from Government it now seems clear that that they never intended to recruit them despite the clear need for recruitment across our health sector.’https://extra.ie/2020/06/09/news/irish-news/health-workers-recruitment-drive-nursing-homes
markodaly wrote: » Yea, just like FG.
Now, as part of its obligations under Part V of the Planning and Development Act where it is required to allocate 10% of any new private development to social housing, Cairn Homes has reached a deal with the city council concerning its plans.https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0604/1145506-social-housing-agreed-at-proposed-donnybrook-site/
blanch152 wrote: » You can have that opinion, I can have mine that it is not all in the past. So can Arlene and Flanagan and anyone else.The IRA are not gone, the leadership still exists, the people involved in Sinn Fein are cut from the same cloth, there is a deep nasty underbelly to Sinn Fein, those are all legitimate opinions to hold.
Bowie wrote: » That's all fine and dandy. The point stands. They are not run by SF and PBP. And it's not true that FG had nothing to do with the Donnybrook apartment allocation. Simples.
Mortelaro wrote: » SF were the largest party in a pact that ran DCC from 2014 to 2019 Think this is the 3rd or 4th time you've not acknowledged that
Bowie wrote: » You didn't know what you were talking about.
Now you want me to go on to explain how FG might have had a hand in it? They had a strong representation on the council
efanton wrote: » being the largest party in a pact does not equate to being in control.
markodaly wrote: » efanton wrote: » being the largest party in a pact does not equate to being in control. Interesting u-turn. Would you say the same about FG in the Dail over the last 9 years? I acknowledge that SF didn't have a majority in DCC from 2014-2019 but they were the largest party and had a pact with other left-leaning parties, who together ran the council. These are just plain old facts. THere you go again misquoting and twisting what people say. I clearly stated that SF had less than 25% of the vote, and therefore it is impossible to assert they had control. did FG have less than 25% of the votes at the cabinet table? Would it not be fairer to say FG had the Majority of the seats at the cabinet table and therefore had complete control of government decisions. And where is the U-turn. I have not stated anything to the contrary. I notice you when proven wrong always go silent. I await you reply how any party can control policies and decisions with less than 25% of the vote in any situation
efanton wrote: » being the largest party in a pact does not equate to being in control. Interesting u-turn. Would you say the same about FG in the Dail over the last 9 years? I acknowledge that SF didn't have a majority in DCC from 2014-2019 but they were the largest party and had a pact with other left-leaning parties, who together ran the council. These are just plain old facts.
markodaly wrote: » Hey, I'm not the person who thought Donnybrook is based in South Dublin County and wrote a long post about this 'fact'! :pac:
markodaly wrote: » As do SF, who also sits on the opposition benches, with FG. Do you even know how Local Authority Council works? Clearly from your posts, you have no idea at all. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the inner workings of Councils. I posted a link to one earlier, best at least read it in case one thinks you are a populist philistine. When you are then read up on the subject you can then tell me exactly how FG had some decision making input to those apartments.
They had a strong representation on the council, as did their chums FF and the Minister for Housing, Planning and local Authorities is FG.
Bowie wrote: » You said SF and PBP ran the council. You said FG had nothing to do with the allocation in Donnybrook and had no say. This is all false.
The voting pact between Sinn Féin, Labour, the Green Party and several Independent councillors has been in place for the Dublin Lord Mayor elections since 2014, and has seen the parties choose a lord mayor from the voting bloc on a rotational basis.
efanton wrote: » I clearly stated that SF had less than 25% of the vote, and therefore it is impossible to assert they had control. did FG have less than 25% of the votes at the cabinet table?
Would it not be fairer to say FG had the Majority of the seats at the cabinet table and therefore had complete control of government decisions.
markodaly wrote: » a) Yes, this is true. SF was part of a pact that ran DCC from 2014-2019. Do you deny this?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sf-m%C3%ADche%C3%A1l-mac-donncha-elected-new-dublin-lord-mayor-1.3134788 b) tell us exactly what FG did for the allocation of those social housing units. You keep saying they did something, but never tell us what this something is.
Bowie wrote: » Show me SF and PBP ran the council.
Show me FG had no say,
markodaly wrote: » Ah, so you are choosing some arbitrary figure plucked from thin air, benchmark. Right so. FG was in government with Labour, and then was part of a minority government. To say FG had 'control' while omitting the fact that Labour and FF also had some control is very Trumpian fake news. Bingo. There you go. Showing yourself up tbh. Tell me. How does a party who goes into coalition with another party or a party that forms a minority government have 'complete control'? Are they not subject to the agreement in the respective programmes for the government? Do you think the FG could do what they wanted?
efanton wrote: » So as you say bingo. you agree that SF did not have control of DCC.
markodaly wrote: » Along with other parties. I never said SF had sole majority control over DCC.
Bowie wrote: » You said FG had nothing to do with the allocation in Donnybrook and had no say. This is all false. It's government policy that a portion be allocated as social housing.
