Isambard wrote: » the rail station in Cork is quite a trek from, perhaps a bus p+r would be more popular. The Blackash one is quite accessible on the quays
marno21 wrote: » Two of the biggest office blocks in the city about to open beside the train station. Planning permission approved for another 8 storey block beside the ones under construction. The Prism under construction across the river. Might need re-evaluation for 2020.
Mr Ryan confirmed there was “broad agreement” among the parties that the NDP should be revised, given the reduced funds available, changed costs and climate action targets. This could take half a year, he said, and road projects, including the M20 Cork to Limerick scheme and the national children's hospital, could be reconsidered
Cork Trucker wrote: » Here we go.https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/eamon-ryan-a-broad-range-of-new-taxes-to-fund-post-covid-recovery-1003904.html
db wrote: » Cork Trucker wrote: » Here we go.https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/eamon-ryan-a-broad-range-of-new-taxes-to-fund-post-covid-recovery-1003904.html Someone needs to tell this nutcase that he will cost people their lives. Every year this road is delayed more people will die and if Ryan gets the motorway cancelled he will be directly responsible. Years ago on the N4 from Maynooth to Kinnegad there were white crosses erected along the road to show how many had died. Something similar needs to be done on the N20.
Eamon Ryan wrote: You could also look at, as well as making the road safe, really high-speed rail connection [between] Cork and Limerick.
serfboard wrote: » So Eamon, you're going to do an oul' patchwork, bad-bend eliminating job are you? That still leaves the towns with the traffic in them? Oh no, you're going to bypass the towns as well? So you're going to do a bad-bend eliminating, town-bypassing half-assed job? FFS, will you wake up? The safest thing to do is an 80km motorway between Blarney and Patrickswell. That's what's needed. And guess what Eamon? Public transport, known as "buses", can travel on that motorway. And you're going to build a "really high-speed" railway between Cork and Limerick, before building one between Cork and Dublin? Or Dublin and Belfast? Or is it after you build those other two? Holy fúck, this guy is clueless. Just seems to toss out whatever ideas pop into his head without any thinking about them. I don't know anything about Catherine Martin, but surely to God, she has to be better than this guy. You'd also have to wonder whether we'll have a government at all. I can't see Green Party members going along with whatever he's agreed in his discussions with the "senior hurlers" of FG & FF.
Frostybrew wrote: » Not to mention his best bet to get high speed rail built between the two cities would be to do it as part of an M20 build and take advantage of the economies of scale that an all in one project would allow for. Or even go further and electrify Charleville to Mallow and the Cork Suburban Network and have an even greater overall saving in construction costs. This would also cover a significant part of the Cork to Dublin electrification. It also allows for front loading a large part of CMATS, something he is also suggesting.
Bass Reeves wrote: » There is not the amount of people traveling between the two cities to justify a high speed train. All that would happen is you would have a service every two hours. Commuters want trains at least every 30minnutes if they are going to use them to commute. If you end up either an hour early for work or an hour late in the evening you will look at other options. At present there is 22k journey's/day on the N 20 most originate on the N20 going to the cities at either end. Most people will not be going to either city center so will need a bust for the last 1-5k. A train service will not work for them. Set up quality bus corridors and put a top notch bus service between the cities and from Mallow and Charlesville to Cork-Limerick
mdmix wrote: » If the timings are increased as you have suggested then more people will take the train - which is what the greens are suggesting. Bus connects will be in place in both cities long before the m20 could be built, meaning train/bus would be quicker than car.
Isambard wrote: » most journeys do not start "on" the N20, they start some way either side of it (in my case 25km). So to use the train and bus connects would involve an initial car journey and take all day. Of very little use to the vast majority of people. The M20 is what is needed.
Reputable Rog wrote: » Limerick is nowhere near developing Bus Connects also it’s not an inter city project.
mdmix wrote: » The limerick east/west corridor was being planned before bus connects was a thing. The east/west corridor will need to be completed before the rest of bus connects, which has a targeted to be finished by 2027. The m20 could not be completed before 2027 in even the best case scenario. I suggested train for intercity and bus for final leg, if needed.
Bass Reeves wrote: » If a person has a car, as especially we are looking at electric cars being common by 2027, people will not change to a double/treble hob solution when the extra cost with electric cars will be minimal
Reputable Rog wrote: » If it’s not built I don’t think any FF/FG TD in Cork East, N.C, NW, Kerry or Limerick County will be able to use the Greens as an excuse for not building it. Therefore I think the M20 might survive the programme for government .
gifted wrote: » Unless the price of an electric car is going to be slashed by a serious amount then I wonder will they be that common?
donvito99 wrote: » Why does it matter if the car is electric? An electric car should not make a commute by car/train either more or less palatable.
mdmix wrote: » people will choose the fastest route possible. well I suppose if we all buy an EV today and keep it for the rest of our lives then you're probably right
Cookiemunster wrote: » The fasted route possible is via car and that won't change if you have to drive to a P&R, then get the train to Kent or Colbert Stations and then get a bus to your final destination. The vast majority of people commuting to Limerick don't work anywhere near the city center as seen by the M7 around the city having 50K journeys every day
spacetweek wrote: » Developed countries should have good quality road and rail, not road or rail. A lot of the discussion on this thread is very adversarial, all people arguing against one and for the other. Many of the people using an improved (I agree HSR is overkill) railway won't be commuters so location of industrial estates is irrelevant. As for UL, in any properly run city a destination 1-2 km from the centre would be reachable by bus in a matter of minutes. Not in Ireland.
