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Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

iamstop

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

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Luxxis

iamstop wrote: »

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

"Am I saying I'm better than you, yeah I'm F***ing better than you" iamstop No eah i mean Ana Kasparian.

Truthvader

silverharp wrote: »

Unluckily for young black men they have a habit of escalating bad behavior. If they learned a few basics they would actually control their encounters with Police.

Not true. Young poor marginalised people from dysfunctional families with no hope are more likely to resort to crime. In America statistically more of this group are black. Here they are travellers. The reasons for that will take forever to discuss and analyse

BUT to say "black men" escalate bad behaviour based on skin colour is not correct
Nice rich black men from stable families don't do so any more than nice rich white people. Your view is racist and wrong

Kivaro

iamstop wrote: »

... He could be a doctor for all you know. ...... Ridiculous.

So you are telling me that this man, who had great difficulty in explaining his reasons for being at the march/show, could have been a doctor.
The virtuous-ness of this response is a clear example of being detached from reality. The argument that a doctor would risk going to a march/show with thousands of people not practicing social distancing there ......... during a deadly pandemic and while the country is in lockdown is, as you say, ridiculous. I am sure that "real" doctors and front-line workers were disgusted at the breach of restrictions by this virtuous lot while the rest of the country were abiding by their advice.

Gatling

faceman wrote: »

So you’re saying racism doesn’t exist then?

Considering a few years ago there was supposed to be s cut to funding migrants groups /centres then all of a sudden there was claims of the raise in hate crimes and Racism but yet no prosecutions or court cases ,

Does anyone remember the lady who died in a car full of fuel cans it was claimed she was selling it ,
The car caught fire and she unfortunately died followed by protests and marching on the local Garda station screaming and Raving at a race attack ,and claims of blacks seeing a white man fleeing the attack ,

There was no attack, there was no white persons involved but yet it was a racist attack .

Go on to social media and see young Africans posting how they didn't get a job after an interview first comments tend to be there all Racists why would you want to work for them ,we all know why you do didn't get the job report them for Racism,
Get on any bus in tallaght or Luas and watch gangs of young Africans walk on and pay no fare or have no tickets (Luas) the first words out of their mouths your Racists why are you stopped me us ,it's because we're black call the cops the driver is a racist,

The word is a weapon for a minority to get away with Murder and other situations .

While I believe there is Racism in every country I think it's massively overblown and stated by funded groups

Kivaro

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Hashtags of all colours and creeds can go where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned.

Indeed.

I made the mistake of listening to the harrowing account from witnesses of the hate attack and stabbing of the teenager down in Cork on the radio earlier this morning. Note (as if it has to be stated): not RTE radio.
So no more of these crap hashtags of #blackbusfaresmatters etc.
There should really only be one hashtag: #all_lives_really_do_matter.

Montage of Feck

Hashtags of all colours and creeds can go where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned.

silverharp

Truthvader wrote: »

Allow me to explain why this is nonsense. American society is a gun society where even normal disputes can escalate quickly. The cops are on the front line and learn casual brutality quickly. They are very quick to shoot or assault and are very careless of anyone and everyone. They will kill you black, white or green in a heartbeat

Unluckily for young black men they have a habit of escalating bad behavior. If they learned a few basics they would actually control their encounters with Police.

faceman

TomTomTim wrote: »

The fact that people are taking this seriously is absurd. It's a survey of peoples feelings, not realities. There is absolutely nothing scientific about it. When you consider the very low bar for what's considered racist these days, it's devalued even more. Just because someone feels something is racist, doesn't make it so. Anyone who has used any social media for more than a few minutes should know that by now.

So you’re saying racism doesn’t exist then?

Truthvader

Allow me to explain why this is nonsense. American society is a gun society where even normal disputes can escalate quickly. The cops are on the front line and learn casual brutality quickly. They are very quick to shoot or assault and are very careless of anyone and everyone. They will kill you black, white or green in a heartbeat

gormdubhgorm

iamstop wrote: »

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:
1. The original hashtag 'BlackLivesMatter' was a reaction to a string of well documented cases of police brutality that resulted in the death of a long list of unarmed black people. On top of that there was no appropriate punishment for the police officers involved. They mostly got paid or unpaid leave until the heat died down and continued back at their jobs after that. Meanwhile the families and friends of the deceased got no justice. This sends shockwaves of trauma throughout the immediate community, the country of the US and the rest of the black population outside of the US too. This original hashtag started to really shine a light of the system wide oppression of black people in America and elsewhere.
2. The oppressors decided that this hashtag would gather too much momentum and decided they needed to water it down and dilute it with 'alllivesmatter' to protect the racist system that they benefit from. And to some degree it's working (COINTELPRO). Every time you use that hashtag you are doing the work of the oppressor. You are being used as a pawn. You are being manipulated into diluting a movement that's main goal is end police brutality.
2a. Nobody using the 'BlackLivesMatter hashtag is saying Only Black Live Matter. It is universally understood that all lives matter.
3. So, now that you are educated on the deceitful and hateful and manipulative reasons for this 'alllivesmatter' hashtag to exist you should stop doing the work of the oppressor and stop using it and stop being used.
3a. If you've read all this and understand it and still use the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag then shame on you. You are a terrible human.

It is a fair point and well made. But as with any cause there is a lot of bandwagon jumping and diluting of 'the black lives matter' slogan.

https://twitter.com/influencersitw/status/1268916126190272514

Also corporate American get's cynically behind a cause 'black lives matter'

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/business/media/companies-marketing-black-lives-matter-george-floyd.html

Mainly because it is aimed at the affluent white women market, who can now feel good about spending.

I was thinking myself the last week or so about American politics and the creation of narrative on both sides. Fascinating to watch.

The twisting of the phrase into 'all lives matter' as meaning it is taking the piss out of out black lives matter is harmful.
Now no-one can say that 'all lives matter' in any context for fear they are branded racist. Just because of a few taking the mick?

Plus in this day and age people's language is scrutinised more than ever before. Even innocent phrasing and it ironically becomes an oppressive form all of its own.

People use cliched phrases/assumptions to try and shut down discussion and win arguments. It can get silly.

Example having qualifications = assumption of 'white privilege'

Or Martin Luther King quote that 'riots are the language of the unheard'. I heard a protester shout this.
I did not think that when there was the love ulster riot protests of 2006 in Dublin.
Where those people unheard or just thugs?

I even heard one activist commenting on the current American riots claim the use of the word 'thug' is racist.
I remember calling members of Republican SF thugs for the love ulster riots.
Is that not racist because I happen to be Irish and white, and they happened to be Irish and White?

In my view in most protests there are always people who are genuine, others looking for a moral high ground, others cynically exploiting it for branding, and some who want to just wreck the gaff.

Personally I think the slogan 'black lives matter' is a terrible slogan as it is divisive. Surely it should be colour blind / love one another? Or something to that effect.

Can you imagine if there was a 'traveller's lives matter' hashtag for a traveller death. Example when John "Frog" Ward was shot dead by a farmer in 2004?

TomTomTim

faceman wrote: »

Ireland doesn’t fair well when it comes to complaints about racism

The fact that people are taking this seriously is absurd. It's a survey of peoples feelings, not realities. There is absolutely nothing scientific about it. When you consider the very low bar for what's considered racist these days, it's devalued even more. Just because someone feels something is racist, doesn't make it so. Anyone who has used any social media for more than a few minutes should know that by now.

yosemitesam1

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Blacks and mostly the trendy lefties never stopped until they had a black president.

How come that didn't seem to improve issues in the USA?

.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268898468766134279.html

Worth a read, never realised there was such a difference in single parent families.
Also black immigrants earn much much more than black Americans.

Is racism an excuse for many?

J_E

faceman wrote: »

Ireland doesn’t fair well when it comes to complaints about racism
https://i.postimg.cc/Yhsmzqyb/70-B8-BAED-93-BC-4-AF6-A6-AD-B8942-EB0-BEC1.jpg

Ireland doesn't like to be called out over it either. Always responses of denial and contempt when it's brought up. It feels like a huge ask for people to just pause and listen to people's experiences, and maybe consider that words and actions can seriously hurt some. Even just accepting that it's truth.

faceman

Ireland doesn’t fair well when it comes to complaints about racism

J_E

Cupatae wrote: »

It is a black vs white issue, the only time it's not is when it's called out , look at all the speeches for GF they screamed "we learned voilence from you the white man so don't complain when we get voilent" and "if it was a white man we d have CNN here and the president" ECT ECT

But ya it's not about black v white deluded yourself what ever way suits keep up the good fight for the poor struck down black people, none of there problems are self made it's all someone else's fault all the system..

What you are saying here is highly suggestive of a lack of empathy or understanding of the history of society in US and overseas. I can't really argue to you if you don't ask questions yourself. Have you ever talked to black person about any of this or how they feel? Just a shot in the dark, you haven't.

You're actually suggesting black people just whine about their lives, and aren't making a serious point here.

And no, the bigger issue of the protests is police force. It's lending to a larger discussion about racism, but all of this has stemmed from specific incidences of undue and extreme police aggression and death.

You're actually making me upset the more I read your post. I know Boards has a lot of quickfire roundabout nonsense, but this is actually representative of a deeper ignorance that feels so big it's hard to know where it gets unlearned.

none of there problems are self made it's all someone else's fault all the system..

Come on man. These are human beings. Try to force a sliver of empathy. This is kind of heartbreaking.

FAILSAFE 00

When it was given a name it should have been BLM2. That would have avoided all the noise that distracts from BLM.

2u2me

iamstop wrote: »

If you are using the 'alllivesmatter' hashtag and don't know any better or are confused why people are mad at you let me explain it:

You know people were mad at Tottenham Hotspur's supporters for using the word Yid to describe themselves, a foul word invented to slur jewish people.

Many people told them to stop; that it was disrespectful and racist. It was banned by the league, with a penalty for using it being introduced, it didn't stop the supporters.

The word came about because supporters in other teams in the league would use it against them. "Yids!" they should shout with anger and emotional vitriol towards the Tottenham supporters. They would even hiss to signify the sounds of the gas chambers. Disgusting, utterly reprehensible.

But you know when they regained the word for themselves and started to embrace themselves as "The Yid Army" it took the power away from the racist scum that would try to use the word. Imagine a small crowd of away supporters trying to heckle "Disgusting yids" While an entire stadium shouted back "We're the yid army" and laughed at them.

To give phrases such power and authority is reckless, words and language are an ever evolving thing; each person interprets them as they like.

Some people see Black lives matter as meaning that other lives matter less. No matter how many times you or other people say "that's not what it means", that's the way some people are going to pick it up. There is no authority on language.

bloodless_coup

OP being a moderator is an embarrassment to boards.

Dr. Bre

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

#idontcareaboutgeorgefloyd

I hear your a rascist now father

ExMachina1000

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Blacks and mostly the trendy lefties never stopped until they had a black president.

How come that didn't seem to improve issues in the USA?

People have to accept that there has always been and will always be racism. There are laws to deal with it, but laws alone will never stop some from disliking someone else simply because of their race etc.

There are also those in society who will actually use their own race as an excuse for not making it in life.

Rubberchikken

Blacks and mostly the trendy lefties never stopped until they had a black president.

How come that didn't seem to improve issues in the USA?

People have to accept that there has always been and will always be racism. There are laws to deal with it, but laws alone will never stop some from disliking someone else simply because of their race etc.

ExMachina1000

#idontcareaboutgeorgefloyd

Gatling

#paytopostridtheriffraffandpoor

#allsortedandfixed

Rodney Bathgate

#fixboardssearch

JP Liz V1

whisky_galore wrote: »

#onlytrendyhashtagsmatter

#fixboards

Cupatae

J_E wrote: »

Show us one.

You're making this a black vs white issue. The whole point is that police brutality is disproportionately directed towards black folk in the US and beyond. You are taking an isolated issue and waving it like "Look! Black people aren't perfect!". It's fairly blindsided and immature.

It is a black vs white issue, the only time it's not is when it's called out , look at all the speeches for GF they screamed "we learned voilence from you the white man so don't complain when we get voilent" and "if it was a white man we d have CNN here and the president" ECT ECT

But ya it's not about black v white deluded yourself what ever way suits keep up the good fight for the poor struck down black people, none of there problems are self made it's all someone else's fault all the system..

Cupatae

Warbeastrior wrote: »

#BlackLivesMatter is the right and appropriate hashtag as black people are as a whole treated worse than white people in the US and further afield. As a white male, I know my life matters but were I black, I'd be questioning whether a lot of people thought that.
As was said over the last few days, if someone's house was on fire and they were using water to put it out. It would look very stupid if his neighbour came over giving out to them asking why they weren't putting any water on his house even though it's not on fire. That's what the #AllLivesMatter hashtag is like.

I honest to God can't get over this point of view the sympathy for the black race is boardering on ridiculous at this stage we ll be bowing down to them at this rate,

Police brutality is the issue.

This notion that the poor ole black man is being held back by the big bad white man lead system is utter tripe, same with every problem they ve ever had has comes from the white man people buying into this stuff need to give there heads a wobble .

BLM is black supremists low key.. white people cheering it on then is hilarious altogether , the fact that BLM are for racial equality but still use collective terms such "the white man" makes me laugh

I ask the same question when all this is over and done with what will black people be able to do that they can't already do ?

Racism against black people =Outrageous

Racism against white people = Group activity that all can part take in and be applauded for it

J_E

GarIT wrote: »

There have been many BLM protestors who have said they should be killing cops or white people as revenge or to make it even. I don't take them seriously, they are the edge case nutters but it's not correct to say nobody is saying it.

Show us one.

the immortals wrote: »

Tell that to the kid in Cork who is in hospital after being stabbed by a black teen while lying on the ground defenceless, I'm sure he'll feel much better after you explain it to him

You're making this a black vs white issue. The whole point is that police brutality is disproportionately directed towards black folk in the US and beyond. You are taking an isolated issue and waving it like "Look! Black people aren't perfect!". It's fairly blindsided and immature.

Rodney Bathgate

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FatherTed wrote: »

It like the "Save the Whales" movement doesn't mean Fk the rest of the animals in the sea. It's just Save the Whales. Sure save all the animals in the sea but this particular problem is the extinction of whales.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Hijacking it or going on with the whatabouty of All Lives Matter shows you just don't get it.

I don't get it.

And I have tried to educate myself about it. I know that black people were treated terribly in the past. I know some people still are racist.

But I know that there are laws to punish people who do illegal things in the name of racism.

Im at a huge loss as to see how black lives matter s are silent about the death of the black policeman at the hands of a looter.

Is it black lives matter or is it black lives that make me seem popular matter?

Equating save the whales to black lives matter is ****ing ridiculous. You are lucky you aren't being slated as equating blacks to animals. I guarantee that would happen if someone from the other side said it.