mehico wrote: » No of course I don't want to disregard the Unionist community but to answer the first part of your question, yes unionist voting trends have changed.
downcow wrote: » That's not how it works. You signed up to the GFA. Therefore it will be a democratic decision and no plugs will be pulled
downcow wrote: » I thought we had agreed Reunification was a nonsense term with regard to this island. Certainly try to unify it if you wish, but don't try and suggest it was ever voluntarily unified.
downcow wrote: » Let's examine a very current situation with regard to eating the scraps. I like many many thousands of others are currently on 80% of my wages for sitting at home and doing the garden. We have been promised this will continue until at least the beginning of November, with very strong hints that it will continue further for certain sectors. I work for an all Island organisation and the situation seems to be very different with your government. I understand you are getting something like £350 per week and you don't know what happens at the end of June. Now I am not knocking your government for that, everyone is doing what they can afford. But talk of me eating scraps from the UK is a total nonsense with no credibility
downcow wrote: » I have came to this a bit late and missed a few posts, but I am equally baffled with your definition of partitionist. The United Nations, and any other reputable such body, recognise an international border between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Both of these are recognised as nations. You have a very what sense of mentality if you are calling the people who wish to maintain these two nations as they are, as the partitioists. Yet you seem to think that those who have an objective to partition the United Kingdom somehow are not partitionists. Am I reading this wrong?
BonnieSituation wrote: » You've just landed in here. You have not read the whole thread nor its previous incarnations.
BonnieSituation wrote: » You've just landed in here. You have not read the whole thread nor its previous incarnations. No one is disregarding unionists. You've just decided that that's the case. Beligerent unionists however, they're on the scrap heap.
BonnieSituation wrote: » So you've nothing to worry about then? You're safe to continue in the bosom of the big house and eat the scraps.
Deleted User wrote: » Blame who ya want mate....it deosnt work,NI is a failed experment....time to pull.the plug NI is in existance 100 years and unionist think so little of nationlists,they wont allow an irish language act,it will never change,its time to try something new....united ireland
BonnieSituation wrote: » And in the context of "Sinn Féin don't own reunification; so is it possible for you to talk about anything related to a UI without bringing SF into it"?
Deleted User wrote: » Tbh lad...you just have to accept being called it,as it politely describes those who support partition Quite why this upsets you is something,only for you to sort (It isnt a race either though )
downcow wrote: » Yeah, spot on. Quite a few here would like to wish us away. Things are fairly settled at the minute. We have very tight equality laws - in fact I'm not sure anywhere else in the world has this tight equality laws. None of us can predict the future, but it is very naïve to think that almost 1 million Unionists, who have a very strong sense of belonging, community, loyalty, unity, etc. will be comfortable and quiet if this United island fantasy project were ever to materialise. I think you will have very noisy neighbours
Deleted User wrote: » Killed mates of me dads and relatives of mine Now your free to politically side with them in opposing a utd ireland all you want and hide behind emojis....but your their equal when you side with em imo
Deleted User wrote: » Just my personal choices anyway Fcuk the uda,and all those who side with them, they killed dozens at tail end of the troubles with help of security forces and got no push back for it,a utd ireland is ultimate 2 fingers to them Only for likes of martin doherty,they would likely killed dozens that night in dublin,and you still have people here side with them
Shefwedfan wrote: » I am liking the way people are totally disregarding the unionist. Is that not what the English did to the Catholics and started the whole troubles? How stupid would it be to disregard a whole community and then start off another load of bombing? seems like a few people on here would just like to forget about that issue and just ignore it. Sensible people will ask that question. Plus all your polls, did any of them ask about having a united Ireland but your tax would increase by an extra 5-10% oper year to pay for Norther Ireland? if not then they are irrelevant results in Rep of Ireland. Few people burying head in sand around her.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Where?? Show me. Simple question. If used then a google would bring up thousands of article/press releases etc with it. Not a wiki page
FrancieBrady wrote: » Why you ignoring the fact that the wiki quotes prominent historians, newspapers and SDLP members using it shows your desperation here. Report it's use Shef. I think you are bluffing here.
FrancieBrady wrote: » As long as the British play ball. Do they look like they will to you? What happens if the relationship with the EU deteriorates? A whole unified Ireland is the best defence we can get to another pandemic. Look at island experiences around the world this time. As long as you don't let rugby fans, from areas crippled by the pandemic, in needlessly off course.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Own what you are. You can't be redefined out of it. The word has been defined repeatedly for you and still you're going on and on about it.
jh79 wrote: » All of your examples can be dealt with in other ways. An UI is not by default the best solution. We could use the money to invest in ICU beds, extra staff etc. Diverting funds away from tje health service to fund an UI could make us less prepared for another pandemic. Backstop down the Irish Sea will solve a lot of issues.
Shefwedfan wrote: » I never heard it. Best the SF crowd could come up with is a wiki which references a SF person saying it, Nobody else So no its not a well known phrase Based on the history of this thread others have raised this point, to you as well Bonnie and you came up with the same lame excuses. If people are constantly asking what it is, does that not suggest it is not well known????????
Shefwedfan wrote: » I never heard it. Best the SF crowd could come up with is a wiki which references a SF person saying it, Nobody else So no its not a well known phrase Based on the history of this thread a few people have raised this point, to you as well Bonnie and you came up with the same lame excuses. If people are constantly asking what it is, does that not suggest it is not well known????????
Shefwedfan wrote: » What exactly have either of those votes got to do with Unified Ireland? Its not even in the same ballpark Disgrace that you would actually try and bundle them in together:mad:
jh79 wrote: » If anything it will just highlight what a difficult proposition an UI is and temper any enthusiasm for it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » And? That's what people will be asked to decide. Will the 'investment' secure the country from future threat...like Brexit, Covid, internal divisions or are we willing to ignore these things and take a chance.
BonnieSituation wrote: » It's not though. Even if it was, is it a phrase used inaccurately to describe your politics? If you're offended by it I'd suggest establishing what it is that you find so distasteful about it. It's a well-known phrase within these sorts of discussions. That you've not heard it before is not our problem. You've wandered into a thread discussing a the end of partition and are aghast at the word Partitionist. Cmon man.
jh79 wrote: » Some investments are riskier than others and have the potential to ruin an economy. The level required for an UI has the potential to do just that.
FrancieBrady wrote: » 'Investment' is something that pays off. We cannot be afraid to invest. If we do we'll sink eventually as a country/island. Why are you using it like it's a dirty word.
Shefwedfan wrote: » As I said originally who uses the word, best you can come up with is Wiki and a reference to SF. So find someone, anyojne who uses it apart from SF and SF supporters? If it is such a popular word then politicians all over the World would use it. You can try change the subject but that was the original post, you have yet to answer. So please. Answer and if not then refrain from using the word.
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