abff wrote: » But I guess your argument is that it should be one rule for Trump and a different rule for everyone else?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » The British used to say exactly the same about De Valera when he got power with FF and Ireland was neutral in WWII 1932-1948. I remember seeing a clip where the narrator on a British newsreel called him virtually a dictator. But it turned out he did OK. The overblown hysteria is laughable on this thread.
moon2 wrote: » You guessed incorrectly. I was merely pointing out that the framing of this particular clip is a lie. There's nothing further to read into it. On a personal level it's shocking that this type of misleading clip is actually pretty much par for the course these days. It's been normalised by the right/alt-right/far-right for such a long time but its still a surprise to see it from the other side.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You would think it was Trump himself that knelt on George Floyd's neck, the way some are going on.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » But it turned out he did OK. The overblown hysteria is laughable on this thread.
TomOnBoard wrote: » Yeah, everyone knows that the physical Trump wasn't actually in Minneapolis that day. But the rhetorical Trump was right there, leaning in on George Floyd as he died! The 'inspirational' Trump that has inspired hard-line policing for decades was there. His Hang 'em High advert in relation to the Central Park 5; his “Please don’t be too nice” to Long Island police in 2017; his "Like when you guys put someone in the car and you’re protecting their head [with your hand]? … I said, ‘You can take the hand away, okay?’” on the same day.. And that's just the tip of this thuggish President's iceberg of cowardly racism and 'Bull Connors' policing mindset. So, yes you're right, Trump wasn't there physically. But he is always there every time a white police officer believes that he will get away with atrocities while hiding behind a badge, because the President nods and winks that it's OK. And, of course he now has his Chief Stormtrooper Bully Bill Barr with his own private army patrolling the streets of DC and other places, while wearing no insignia to denote the authority under which they are acting, with no accountability or obvious chain of command! This is yet another knee on the neck of those protesting the murder of George Floyd, the one now being applied with the full morbidly obese weight of Trump behind it, just days after he used chemical and ballistic weapons against entirely peaceful protesters who were exercising their right to protest under the US Constitution. Have a read, and get back to us:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/chauvin-did-what-trump-asked-him-do/612574/
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Well I have not read it yet but before I read any article I look up the author. Which puts any article in context. Adam Serwer has won awards from the National Association of Black Journalists. A cursory look at his other articles in the Atlantic are titled.'Why Republican's Aren't turning on Trump' (Sept 2019)'The Mad King’s Enablers' (about Trump Oct 2019)'Only the right can defeat white Nationalism' (Aug 2019)'Conservatives have a white nationalist problem' (about Trump Aug 2019)'The Coronavirus Was an Emergency Until Trump Found Out Who Was Dying' (May 2020) He also has written essay's on "The Nationalist's Delusion" and "White Nationalism's Deep American Roots" and "The Cruelty Is the Point" His mother is the Chief Curator of the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of African American History and Culture. So now I am ready to read the article.
Headshot wrote: » Trump turning the White House into Fort Knox, unbelievable all the barriers going up just to protect from peaceful protests
Carfacemandog wrote: » It seems quite telling that you have avoided answering if you think Trumps ex secretary of defense, who Trump himself appointed, was being 'hysterical' when he compared Trump to Hitler yesterday. Maybe you just missed it though, so I'll ask again if you think he was.
timsey tiger wrote: » So your prejudged the ideas based on the history of the person delivering it and inexplicably are telling everybody that, thats what you normally do. I hope you never end up on a jury.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » " Law and order, for this president, simply means that he and his ideological allies are above the law, while others, such as Floyd, are merely subject to it." This ignores the fact that Police Officer Derek Chauvin has been charged with murder and is due to appear in court on June 8.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » 1) He his hurt over being fired by Trump 2) He may see an opportunity of running for political office again when Trump's tenure comes to an end. Maybe even do a Dwight Eisenhower?
moon2 wrote: » These aren't mutually exclusive. Trumps idea of law and order can be exactly as described, and that doesn't preclude Chauvin from being charged with murder. Chauvin could be found innocent or guilty and that still wouldn't impact Trump's beliefs. Trumps actions and words since the murder of Floyd are objectively a far cry from law abiding, or even constitution abiding.
Hurrache wrote: » 1. He wasn't fired. 2. He wasn't a politician.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » 1) As good as fired he resigned first and now Trump claims he had the honour of firing Mattis 2) If Mattis served as Secretary of defense he will always be known as a solider/politician.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Ok he is an Ex Secretary of Defense And it is important to consider he was involved in both in Iraq and Afganistan. He was quoted as saying in Afganistan:"be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet"https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/16-most-hair-raising-general-mattis-quotes/340553/ This is the same fella who bombed a wedding party in Iraq in 2004 resulting deaths of 42 civilians, including 11 women and 14 children. His comments after proof was shown what he and his men did?https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/21/iraq.rorymccarthy"I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don't have to apologise for the conduct of my men."
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It directly contradicts the author (Server) comments though
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I suspect he would be privately pleased if Chauvin got away with murder as it would enable him to continue the 'poor me' narrative about African-American's.
The author says the following 'police exist to protect white people from black people.' Not true in the following video a white racist woman was killed by a black police officer.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Ok he is an Ex Secretary of Defense And it is important to consider he was involved in both in Iraq and Afganistan. He was quoted as saying in Afganistan:"be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet"[https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/07/16-most-hair-raising-general-mattis-quotes/340553/ This is the same fella who bombed a wedding party in Iraq in 2004 resulting deaths of 42 civilians, including 11 women and 14 children. His comments after proof was shown what he and his men did?https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/21/iraq.rorymccarthy"I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don't have to apologise for the conduct of my men." -- As for Mattis' comments about comparing Trump's protest response to Nazi tactics. I think there are two reasons for this. 1) He his hurt over being fired by Trump 2) He may see an opportunity of running for political office again when Trump's tenure comes to an end. Maybe even do a Dwight Eisenhower?
Hurrache wrote: » Facts are 1. He wasn't fired. How can you even claim he was as good as fired when when you say he resigned first.
2. He wasn't a politician. He isn't now, nor always will, be known as a politician by anyone other than those that are mistaken.
Carfacemandog wrote: » And yet despite all you have listed above, this guy still considers Trump as comparable to Hitler. If that doesn't tell you something about Trump it's simply because you don't want to hear it.
You also can't claim any moral highgroudn Trump may have on the back of his policies, and the increased killings and droen strikes across the middle East under his presidency - just in case that was lingering in your mind.
I have not seen any inclination towards him running in politics, and the fact that you jumped immediately on a claim if him being upset about something that never even happened (he was not fired but resigned) shows that same tendency I was talking about earlier about Trump defenders peculiar need to constantly ignore the facts when they do not suit.
The more likely reason he compared Trumps tactics to Hitler's nazi ones s because he is well known to be very strongly versed in modern history, and because the similarities between Trump and Hitler in this regard are stark, and have grown more and more so over his presidency.
moon2 wrote: » How so? I didn't get this impression from my reading so I'd like to know how you've linked these. I don't see how Trump's beliefs and the charges brought against Chauvin are linked.
If you look at similar historical cases, police essentially have carte blanche when it comes to killing 'suspects'. They're rarely indicted, and even when they are the cases rarely result in conviction.
At the risk of understatement of the year, your use of 'poor me narrative' is dismissive and implies you do not believe there has been misconduct now or in the past. To diminish the reality of police officers murdering black Americans and facing no charges is awful. If you want to talk about biases, then analyse yours.
In addition to that, the example you use is incomparable. Are you honestly trying to say that case is the same as when a white police officer knowingly suffocates a compliant, non-resisting, non-threatening person over the course of about 10 minutes. This is while they passed out after repeatedly saying they couldn't breath? I mean, in your case the person was actually threatening the police officer and made very threatening moves while holding an item which has the potential to kill somone...
listermint wrote: » It's absolutely excellent. A huge endictment of where the us is now. He's gone in Nov.
