listermint wrote: » You appear to have very low ideals. Note just to be clear on what im saying. Trump evidently has major concerns in the tax department. We already have vast arrays of evidence of him undereporting vast swades of his property empire. He has golf clubs across the world with extremely low visitors yet the money keeps coming into these businesses. The mother load of evasion on all levels and sources of money would be something that should be definitely followed up on. And for me ive no interest in paying a woman for her affections, If you subscribe to that ideal, well then thats for you.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So if your post is true has done even better despite all this he still got elected! As for the jealously part. Do you not think your own post sounds a bit envious/jealous? Trying to take the Trump's down a notch or two. To make yourself feel better about the scenario of Trump leading the most powerful nation on earth?
extra gravy wrote: » on the back of not being able to string full sentences together. Fixed your post.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I am sure if he had, it would have being routed out long ago?
I mean Trump is living the dream an 'anti establishment' billionaire now POTUS married a supermodel 24 years his junior. Granted, he had a comfortable upbringing. But despite all the gaffes (weird photo ops with bibles and pussy grabbing statements) along the way he has shown his innate ability to speak to the electorate. Enough to get him in power. He has not threatened global domination like Hitler/Stalin - like many have compared him to. Instead he favours isolationist polices for America.
I think when it comes down to it many virulent anti-Trump people still just can't believe he got elected. But if thier side were half as clued in to thier electorate as Trump is. They would have got elected instead.
Also, I think a lot of it is jealously looking at a slightly overweight awkward 70 plus fella with an odd hairstyle, but is worth billions. Married to a former supermodel. And all this on the back of not being a flowery orator at all. If he has an ego at this stage I think he is entitled to it!
Carfacemandog wrote: » I wouldn't attribute disgust at policies like separating children from their parents to put them in concentration camps, stripping sick Americans of their healthcare t ogive tax cuts to billionaires, or calling for military action against your own citizens 'jealousy', and frankly if that is what you amount it to, it says an awful lot about your values or lack thereof.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Again, I did not vote in the USA election one way or another. Trying to clonflate 'my values' from a single post on boards.ie is hyperbolic in the extreme. And takes away from any valid points you might have had subsequent to the statement.
Also many voters in the USA do not want an Irish or UK style health system, otherwise it would have been changed generations ago.
Carfacemandog wrote: » The fact that you need to defend yourself with a straw man saysa lot. At no point did I say you voted for Trump, nor that you even had the capacity to vote inthe US election. What I said was that if you amount issues with policies like those I pointed out to simply jealousy, it says a lot about your values.
The fact is, you did amount the issues that as you put them, "virulent anti-Trump people" have with him to, and I am quoting you here, "a lot of it is jealously" over his inherited wealth and his wife. If you are going to make a frankly stupid argument like that, at least try to defend the points you made and not something else entirely.
The majority of Americans do want universal public healthcare, time and again polls show this. The main problems they have with it are centered around fear mongering that it have to mean abolishing private healthcare (which a town here in Ireland can tell you it doesn't) and a slavish, cult like adherence to their political party. This is why approval for the ACA routinely ranks much higher than approval for "Obamacare" (which is literally just a nickname for the ACA).
When you have as poor an education system as so much of the US does (national averages in different areas such as maths, and literacy dropping from 5-10th in the world 20 years ago to 30th-40th today), it's in redobly easy to get them to vote against what they explicitly say they want - in this case, better and universal public healthcare.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Man of straw argument? Surely you have done exactly that by bringing up 'values'. But since you want to labour on the point this is exactly the problem with the anti-Trump brigade. They are smug and view anyone who does not think exactly like them or voted Trump as having 'no values'. That is just my opinion. Because a lot people who belittle Trump view themselves as more intelligent and cultured than him. Yet he landed the top job in America. Played the game and won. Arguably one of the greatest upsets in the history of American politics.Rubbish if the majority of Americans wanted universal public healthcare, it would change fairly sharpish. They don't simple as that. So now you are calling the American electorate thick, and not as smart as you are? It brings me nicely back to my initial point on smugness. Your post has gone full circle.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Man of straw argument? Surely you have done exactly that by bringing up 'values'. But since you want to labour on the point this is exactly the problem with the anti-Trump brigade. They are smug and view anyone who does not think exactly like them or voted Trump as having 'no values'.Trump has no values, except loyalty, and by that I mean loyalty to him, he has cheated on all his wives, over 18000 provable lies and counting, multiple sexual assault allegations, trips on the lolita express and actually admitting to doing it to women, bullied,swindled and stole people out of money. There is literally a tweet he has said against everything he has done in his presidency. He has zero morals, so if support him knowing all this, then what does it say about you See above That is just my opinion. Because a lot people who belittle Trump view themselves as more intelligent and cultured than him. Yet he landed the top job in America. Played the game and won. Arguably one of the greatest upsets in the history of American politics.My dog is vastly more intelligent than him, if I gave my dog 400 million to start off like Trump, he would have at least that at the end of the day. My dog takes simple instructions and learns from his mistakes. Trump can do neither of those things and in order to stay awake in briefings his name has to be inserted every few minutes so it holds his attention, this is well documented. Given that everyone who posts here is vastly more intelligent than my dog, they have good reason to feel smarter than Trump Rubbish if the majority of Americans wanted universal public healthcare, it would change fairly sharpish. They don't simple as that.As stated before a good 50+% when polled want universal care, the rest have been brainwashed to believe it is communism and the next step is working in the gulags. The pharmaceutical companies and health industry don't want it so the lobbyists push against it so they can keep their supernormal profits. That is why the Irish cop who got shot in a mugging in New York a few years ago had a bill of over a million dollars and had to crowd fund his care. Madness So now you are calling the American electorate thick, and not as smart as you are? It brings me nicely back to my initial point on smugness. Your post has gone full circle.This has been proven many times, the education system is broken and Fox News is the largest news network, case and point
rossie1977 wrote: » 60% of Americans say healthcare is government responsibly so that's majority https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/10/03/most-continue-to-say-ensuring-health-care-coverage-is-governments-responsibility/ It wouldn't matter if 100% wanted it because as long as the Republicans and some Democrats are getting huge donations from giant corporations and mega rich individuals opposed to universal health care it will never happen. It's not the people that have the final say, it's Mitch McConnell and the like.. same with gun control. As long as the NRA have bought and paid for every Republican politician and some Democrats nothing will be done to stop the blight of mass shootings in the US.
duploelabs wrote: » So being a military man yourself, what do you make of Mattis' comments?
Overheal wrote: » Naturally this old rally clip is coming back around timely for a haunt of current events. Perhaps we will see this in a large number of campaign ads. Trump mocks police brutality victims pleading “I can’t breathe” That's horrific and disturbing, esp. the way it loops.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Rubbish if the majority of Americans wanted universal public healthcare, it would change fairly sharpish. They don't simple as that.
timsey tiger wrote: » Trump mocks police brutality victims pleading “I can’t breathe” That's horrific and disturbing, esp. the way it loops.
Overheal wrote: » 69% of Americans is a majority right?https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/494602-poll-69-percent-of-voters-support-medicare-for-all :rolleyes:
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Man of straw argument? Surely you have done exactly that by bringing up 'values'. But since you want to labour on the point this is exactly the problem with the anti-Trump brigade. They are smug and view anyone who does not think exactly like them or voted Trump as having 'no values'.
That is just my opinion. Because a lot people who belittle Trump view themselves as more intelligent and cultured than him. Yet he landed the top job in America. Played the game and won. Arguably one of the greatest upsets in the history of American politics.
Rubbish if the majority of Americans wanted universal public healthcare, it would change fairly sharpish. They don't simple as that.
So now you are calling the American electorate thick, and not as smart as you are? It brings me nicely back to my initial point on smugness. Your post has gone full circle.
Pedro K wrote: » What can you expect when you have at least one state that has a disclaimer in science school books about the theory of evolution?
Overheal wrote: » Naturally this old rally clip is coming back around timely for a haunt of current events. Perhaps we will see this in a large number of campaign ads. Trump mocks police brutality victims pleading “I can’t breathe”https://twitter.com/junotheson/status/1267325223264649216?s=21
peddlelies wrote: » I'm sure those gender studies courses etc based on pure pseudo science are shooting the mathematics scores right up too. If anything they're producing a healthy dose of anarchists.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » That is just projection and a nice soundbite 'because they knew'.You could easily argue the opposite Trump supporters voted for Trump 'because they knew'. He aligned with what the electorate wanted. Similar to how Danny Healey Rae gets slagged off everywhere outside Kerry. He has made his views perfectly clear and got elected. I mean Trump may act like an eejit and sound like an eejit a lot of the time but he engages with his electorate. That is what any politician does. But you cannot deny that there has been a lot of twisting of Trumps statements for example. His comments on the wall and Mexicans. Many in the anti Trump camp say he is anti_Mexican and called them all rapists. He did not. He said that it was not the best and brightest that was getting into America. It was the murderers and rapists. It is all about projection on who said a comment. And if that does not suit the narrative the comment is changed.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » What is normal for you though is abnormal for someone else. 62,984,828 million people voted for Trump that is 46.1% of the American voting electorate. Reading this thread you would swear it was just a few headcases. Were Hillary supporters normal it could be argued she had a cult following. Remember the tears from her supporters on election night.
Quin_Dub wrote: » Not exactly. There is broad universal support among everyone except Republicans (surprise surprise) So - The Republicans filibuster and poison the well around the conversation with things like "Death Panels" and all the other "it's a communist plot" stupidity to ensure that the massive healthcare companies that fund them can keep making utterly outrageous amounts of money for basic healthcare.
Foxtrol wrote: » Trump surrogates spent all of the 2016 election cycle saying that Trump wasn't being literal when he spoke about things, be it the wall, be it religious travel ban, be it gutting agencies/guardrails. They dont have that luxury in 2020 as everyone has seen his record. The moderate republicans and independents now know exactly what they are voting for
Foxtrol wrote: » I feel dirty going agreeing with the other poster but those poll numbers don't hold up when you dig in. As a concept national health care has broad support in polls but it falls away when you bring in the realities of it, lose their current healthcare plan, lose your current doctor, have to wait longer for treatment. Like most things, the population want all the positives but dont want to give up anything
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