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The Last Of Us 2

Fox Hound

Hey so I have been seeing some stuff on social media that this is going to be officially announced this week?
Anyone know if this is true.....if so I cant wait, I absolutely loved the first game!!!

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J. Marston

bennyl10 wrote: »

this is why,
A bunch of sexist 'incels' who think that 'SJW' and 'leftists' are pushing the 'homosexual agenda' into their game

What I don't understand is why is it a problem now? Ellie has been gay since the first game and it's been a long time but I can't remember uproar about her and Riley back then.

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

You mightn't like it for the hacky writing and that's fair enough but you can't deny that the vast majority of the most vocal hate for the game is definitely coming from a culture war, alt-right asshole brigade.

There absolutely is that element to it but I took umbrage with being lumped in with them by that clown.

The Raging Bile Duct

J. Marston wrote: »

Fúck off labelling everyone who doesn't like the leaks a bigot.

You mightn't like it for the hacky writing and that's fair enough but you can't deny that the vast majority of the most vocal hate for the game is definitely coming from a culture war, alt-right asshole brigade.

bennyl10

splashthecash wrote: »

Sorry all, pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the reason for all the forum chatter about LOU part 2? There seems to be all manner of comments about Naughty Dog's behaviour, potential poor review scores, wokeness....where is this all coming from? Its hardly cos of a leak is it or cos yer wan is a lesbian is it?

I watched the trailer and am very much looking forward to it - the first is one of my all time favourites

this is why,
A bunch of sexist 'incels' who think that 'SJW' and 'leftists' are pushing the 'homosexual agenda' into their game

any reviewers who are positive are the same and don't understand the real world.

were all just sheeple if we're excited for this game and not appalled ND have done this

the reddit thread really is dispicable

s8n

J. Marston wrote: »

Cite you definitions all you want but don't lump me in with that word because I don't like a video games story's direction. My reasons have zero to do with gender, race, sexual preference or anything else like that. It's purely to do with hacky writing.

I'll never understand how you're a mod. Pointlessly antagonistic.

**Yawn**

goon_magee

shrewdness wrote: »

I guess I'm just surprised that some people already seem to have such negative opinions of the game when it's not even out yet. Especially when it's apparently come out since that not all of the leaks are accurate (I guess there were leaks in both video and text?).

Anyway, hard for me to understand yet given that I haven't seen the leaks, and I get that people can get an idea of the story from the leaks that they don't agree with. But I suppose I just want to wait to actually play through the game first and form my opinion from that experience, rather than online leaks which could be out of context for all I know. Maybe I'll also come to the conclusion that I don't like the direction they've taken, but I want to find out for myself.

Agreed. If someone had set out the plot of the original game in front of me I probably would have brushed it off as generic and nothing original. At it's core it's just a retread of special child/zombie combo that was a huge crutch at the time when it was a must for everything to have zombies in it. Naughty Dog's storytelling almost always shines through no matter how tropey things might seem at first.

goon_magee

Leroy42 wrote: »

But the question is, without having played the game and understood the full emotional journey, on what basis are people judging that certain plot decisions are wrong?

People are making judgements without context and assuming the decision is wrong based on what they would prefer to happen.

I agree, no real value to getting worked up over something without playing the game in its entirety. Just pointing out that the plot decisions people seem to dislike aren't all tied to people being bigots or intolerant, some people are just genuinely doubting the direction the game is taking in other areas.

Similar to your last point above, people are making judgements and assuming everyone is a bigot without the full context of why people are unhappy with the story. They have no basis for lumping each and every negative opinion into the same intolerant bracket as they also haven't played the game and don't fully understand why people hold those negative opinions. It works both ways and is equally stupid no matter what angle you look at it from IMO.

shrewdness

I guess I'm just surprised that some people already seem to have such negative opinions of the game when it's not even out yet. Especially when it's apparently come out since that not all of the leaks are accurate (I guess there were leaks in both video and text?).

Anyway, hard for me to understand yet given that I haven't seen the leaks, and I get that people can get an idea of the story from the leaks that they don't agree with. But I suppose I just want to wait to actually play through the game first and form my opinion from that experience, rather than online leaks which could be out of context for all I know. Maybe I'll also come to the conclusion that I don't like the direction they've taken, but I want to find out for myself.

OptimusTractor

CASTS COOLING SPELL It's reaching playing Monopoly with family levels in here. It's just a game with no affects whatsoever on real life.

Leroy42

But the question is, without having played the game and understood the full emotional journey, on what basis are people judging that certain plot decisions are wrong?

People are making judgements without context and assuming the decision is wrong based on what they would prefer to happen.

goon_magee

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Game isn't even out yet but already getting judged.

And the bit that is getting people worked up over isn't worth getting worked up over. Unless you are a bigot.

I think you're seeing what you want to see I'm afraid, because it suits this everyone that speaks out is a bigot narrative that you seem intent on pushing. I've seen plenty of valid criticisms about pivotal plot moments, none that I personally agree with because I'd rather play the game and judge myself, but plenty that are not based on any intolerance of people's beliefs.

I'll agree to disagree with you, but personally I take issue with your intolerance of all negative opinions on the game and will consider you a bigot since it's as binary as that!

The Raging Bile Duct

You won't tolerate my intolerance so that makes you just as intolerant... FFS...

Retr0gamer

Game isn't even out yet but already getting judged.

And the bit that is getting people worked up over isn't worth getting worked up over. Unless you are a bigot.

goon_magee

This notion that anyone who holds any negative perception of the game must be a bigot, in itself is extremely intolerant...Guess that makes those on both sides of the fence bigots in that case right?

There is a lot of discussion around gripes people have with the story that have absolutely nothing to do with gender or sexuality, and that seems to be getting glossed over so people can push this narrative that all negative criticism of the game must be political or an based on intolerance of more liberal social values. I mentioned a while back that I had what I assume is the ending of the game spoiled on me; the vast majority of criticism I have seen on the game is around this point, and it has absolutely nothing to do with what team Ellie bats for or her gender.

Of course there is bigots that don't like the focus of the game for those reasons, but people need to stop tarring all negative opinions with the same brush. If anything I have to commend some of these people getting lumped in with the intolerant crowd for being able to bite their tongue; it would be very easy to actually explain the reasons they don't like the game's direction, but they're choosing not to out of respect for not spoiling the game for others. Once this is all said and done and opinions can be voiced without fear of spoilers, hopefully all this virtue signalling and intolerance can **** off and we can actually just have a good critical discussion about the game based on its own merits, not the complete intolerance of people on both sides of the fence.

J. Marston

Retr0gamer wrote: »

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/

noun
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Yep. Sorry but it sums it up really well.

Cite you definitions all you want but don't lump me in with that word because I don't like a video games story's direction. My reasons have zero to do with gender, race, sexual preference or anything else like that. It's purely to do with hacky writing.

I'll never understand how you're a mod. Pointlessly antagonistic.

Retr0gamer

J. Marston wrote: »

Fúck off labelling everyone who doesn't like the leaks a bigot.

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/

noun
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Yep. Sorry but it sums it up really well.

J. Marston

Fúck off labelling everyone who doesn't like the leaks a bigot.

Retr0gamer

splashthecash wrote: »

Sorry all, pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the reason for all the forum chatter about LOU part 2? There seems to be all manner of comments about Naughty Dog's behaviour, potential poor review scores, wokeness....where is this all coming from? Its hardly cos of a leak is it or cos yer wan is a lesbian is it?

I watched the trailer and am very much looking forward to it - the first is one of my all time favourites

Without giving anything away it's a load of bigots getting upset over nothing.

shrewdness

splashthecash wrote: »

Sorry all, pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the reason for all the forum chatter about LOU part 2? There seems to be all manner of comments about Naughty Dog's behaviour, potential poor review scores, wokeness....where is this all coming from? Its hardly cos of a leak is it or cos yer wan is a lesbian is it?

I watched the trailer and am very much looking forward to it - the first is one of my all time favourites

There were a ton of leaks a while back which has got some people all sorts of angry. I'm in much the same boat as yourself, I haven't heard much about it all or what the leaks contained, so pretty much in the dark myself and I'm just looking forward to playing the game.

I've since read somewhere that not all the leaks were necessarily accurate, so that reinforces my decision to just play through the game first and make my own mind up on it.

splashthecash

Sorry all, pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the reason for all the forum chatter about LOU part 2? There seems to be all manner of comments about Naughty Dog's behaviour, potential poor review scores, wokeness....where is this all coming from? Its hardly cos of a leak is it or cos yer wan is a lesbian is it?

I watched the trailer and am very much looking forward to it - the first is one of my all time favourites

Zero-Cool

TV ad. The cgi looks a bit strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqAIw-MtDGw

CastorTroy

Just going by the reactions to the leaks, we can expect comments for reviews being based around wokeness.
Saying they only gave a high score because they're scared of backlash.
Look forward to lower scores getting comments from both sides.

Zero-Cool

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

Did you watch his Days Gone review? He was by far and away the most unforgiving of that game on the kinda funny review panel.

Ah sure it's cool to hate Days Gone

You can't make that kind of statement when Cyberpunk is out this year and we still know very little about it.

The Phantom Pain

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Ah Greg, I like him but he's team Sony all the way. If both this and Cyberpunk live up to my expectations, it's gonna be hard to choose the Boards GOTY vote.

Did you watch his Days Gone review? He was by far and away the most unforgiving of that game on the kinda funny review panel.

Retr0gamer

Leroy42 wrote: »

You don't think reviewers ever let bias get in the way?

It is very clear you have to stick to the embargo, don't and you lose access. Why do you think it would be different if a reviewer published a bad review?

I've actually done a short stint as a reviewer and while this was an issue years ago, publisher pressure is mostly not an issue anymore and hasn't been for a number of years. And I only say mostly because it's very very rare and usually due to an extreme change up at a publisher. You give a game a bad review the publishers don't care. You might get a call from their PR but that only happens with overzealous or newbies that soon learn not to be dicks.

Publisher can be like that with bloggers and influencers who should never be trusted anyway. Many treat them like the bought off advertising that they are but with genuine press the publishers don't pull anything like that. Unless you go full Jim sterling on them.

And yes bias can get in the way for some reviewers, just look at easy allies, but that's just bad reviewing practices. There's good reviewers out there that don't.

nix

Zero-Cool wrote: »

the fact you can play through the whole game by audio alone is crazy.

Sounds easy..

:pac:

Leroy42

Retr0gamer wrote: »

That's complete rubbish. Sony are very good about sending out review copies and respecting review scores.

You don't think reviewers ever let bias get in the way?

It is very clear you have to stick to the embargo, don't and you lose access. Why do you think it would be different if a reviewer published a bad review?

Zero-Cool

Fascinating thread here. The vast majority will never need the options and it's easy to take for granted but the fact you can play through the whole game by audio alone is crazy.

https://twitter.com/robkrekel/status/1267534713230508032?s=19

johnny_ultimate

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Over 60 accessibility options to make the game easier to play for visually impaired. Naughty Dog, the absolute bastards.

https://twitter.com/thegreatbluebit/status/1267489156046843904?s=19

Always really pleased to see developers putting so much care into these things. I’ll hopefully never have to use any of these options - although who knows what life will bring! - but allowing more people the options to play the game the way they want (or *at all* as the case may be) is a wonderful thing.

Good to praise individual developers who go the extra mile, but we should hopefully get to the point in the future where these things are accepted as the norm rather than exceptions. Especially with AAA games with such large budgets, it’s important to put those few extra resources in to ensure the best experience for as many people as possible.

johnny_ultimate

TBH I always find the sort of ‘preview’ pieces a week or two before a review embargo of limited value. Sure, it can give you some early idea of what to expect, but similarly it’s very obviously a carefully calculated step in the PR cycle as well where reviewers are fairly restricted in the kind of things they can talk about.

I’d be very surprised if this doesn’t get very enthusiastic reviews in a few weeks time, because games of its ilk almost always do... but will as always will be primarily interested in seeing how the few remaining discerning publications get on with it, as opposed to ‘PlayStation fan site that managed to make it onto Metacritic for some reason’ (with all due respect to the staff of PSFSTMTMIOMFSR.com)

The Raging Bile Duct

Retr0gamer wrote: »

That's complete rubbish. Sony are very good about sending out review copies and respecting review scores.

Well totalbiscuit dissed Last of Us once and suddenly died of stage 4 cancer several years later. Connect the dots...