cbreeze wrote: » I was walking on a footpath and I heard a bicycle bell behind me. The female cyclist was actually expecting ME to get out of her way! Needless to say I held my ground and did not give way
07Lapierre wrote: » I was cycling on the Road and I heard a car beep its Horn behind me. The driver was actually expecting ME to get out of the way! needless to say i held my ground.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Tough guy. Why not just move over?
flasher0030 wrote: » I thought that was a good comeback first. But thinking about it, cyclists and drivers are permitted to use the road. Whereas in the other scenario, the cyclist is not permitted to use the path. So can't compare.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Right but they will use the path sometimes, and that's not going to change, lots of parents out during the nice weather with little kids on bikes with stabilisers, on the path. Who cares? Seriously. They're not harming anyone and it's good to have people out being active.
ShyMets wrote: » By and large cyclists on footpaths don't bother me as majority are cautious and considerate. But the above situation really annoys. Its only happened to me once and like you I held my ground. Pedestrians shouldn't have to give way to cyclists on a footpath
donvito99 wrote: » I think pedestrians on footpaths are much more of an issue than cyclists, in my experience anyway.
ewc78 wrote: » Nobody, absolutely nobody,has any issue with a kid on a bike with their parents on a path. Why do people keep bringing it up??? It makes you look silly even mentioning it.
Seth Brundle wrote: » I suggest that you familiarise yourself with the rules of the road which recommend that cyclists adopt a primary position in the centre of the road whenever necessary.
ewc78 wrote: » This guy wasn't moving out of the way anyway!https://www.lep.co.uk/news/astonished-lancs-police-detain-cyclist-who-caused-crash-m58-2848239
Niner leprauchan wrote: » I cycle to work daily, use the cycle lanes when possible and stay close to the kerb to allow traffic space to pass me.
galwaytt wrote: » The fine weather we've enjoyed has seen hi-viz in particular cast aside for some reason. Great to see families and kids out cycling. But why aren't they wearing hi-viz & helmets as RoR says you should ?
Roger the cabin boy wrote: » Try cycling legally and correctly on the roads or where provided, cycle paths, and somebody is going to end up hurt. I'd rather non cycling people just be honest about cyclists and lobby for them to be banned rather the constant virtue signaling from them and pointing fingers at the cyclists behaviour before taking a long look at their own usage of roads and paths. How many of you car drivers feel that the roads are not enough and use the pavement to park? Those without sin and all that...
galwaytt wrote: » ...a timely reminder to check the RoR. What RoR clearly says on page 195 of your link is that the normal position for cycling is on the left, and (for reasons unknown) they call this the 'secondary' position. You may go to the 'primary' position under certain circumstances only. So you'd be expected to back to the left hand side outside of those circumstances. It also says, and highlights in a big yellow box on page 192 that you should never listen to music, radio or phones whist cycling. Cutting off one of your primary senses - whilst navigating traffic, pedestrians, street furniture, roads in general is contributing to you-as-hazard and also exposing yourself to danger. Just look at the number of people on bicycles wearing earbuds on a daily basis. 3 times since the weekend locally I have come across cyclists (rurally) not wearing high viz - one had it folded an on their carrier. Another not wearing a hi-viz whilst weaving in & out of a 60km/h carriageway outside a marked hard shoulder ...because they had their headphones on AND was either taking a selfie or live streaming as they - careened - along the road. And I met a cyclist who obviously thinks they're a pedestrian (otherwise explain why you're cycling against traffic on the wrong side of the road). The fine weather we've enjoyed has seen hi-viz in particular cast aside for some reason. I ride a 365kg motorcycle most of the time. It's big, heavy, makes a noise to announce it's presence, has mandatory headlight on always - and I wear hi-viz on that - even RoR advises to do so - but I do it to enhance my visibility to others. For Learners and N-plate holders it's legally mandatory by reason of fine and penalty points - so you could be doing that for 4 years. But people on 10kg bicycles see themselves as invincible it seems and don't seem to see the need for them. Great to see families and kids out cycling. But why aren't they wearing hi-viz & helmets as RoR says you should ? All of the above clearly shows a level of ignorance of not just RoR, but also basic traffic awareness and fundamental self-preservation. Putting yourself in harms way is contributing to the problem - why would anyone do this ? Pages 192-201 of your link should be required reading for everyone, including non-cyclists. This would also inform non-cyclists of what should be happening on the road, and an awful lot of it isn't.
galwaytt wrote: » As for 'speeding', I think one thing you need to remember: the definition of 'speeding' by RSA and used in their statistics is not confined to those breaking the posted legal limit. It also includes anyone 'deemed' to have sped and were thus involved in an accident. For instance, the legal limit is 80km/h, but you were involved in an accident at, say 50km/h. The assessment by (someone official) is that 50km/h was too fast for the circumstances on the day (weather, traffic, visibility/whatever) and that accident gets recorded as 'speeding'. And subsequently used to form policy on what legal limits are posted in various locations. Which is a nonsense, frankly.
Hurrache wrote: » Well, as long as said kid doesn't pull any mad wheelies. Evidently wheelies seem to trigger rage in some people, and jealously in others.
galwaytt wrote: » ...a timely reminder to check the RoR. ......... 3 times since the weekend locally I have come across cyclists (rurally) not wearing high viz - one had it folded an on their carrier. Another not wearing a hi-viz whilst weaving in & out of a 60km/h carriageway outside a marked hard shoulder ...because they had their headphones on AND was either taking a selfie or live streaming as they - careened - along the road. And I met a cyclist who obviously thinks they're a pedestrian (otherwise explain why you're cycling against traffic on the wrong side of the road). The fine weather we've enjoyed has seen hi-viz in particular cast aside for some reason. I ride a 365kg motorcycle most of the time. It's big, heavy, makes a noise to announce it's presence, has mandatory headlight on always - and I wear hi-viz on that - even RoR advises to do so - but I do it to enhance my visibility to others. For Learners and N-plate holders it's legally mandatory by reason of fine and penalty points - so you could be doing that for 4 years. But people on 10kg bicycles see themselves as invincible it seems and don't seem to see the need for them. Great to see families and kids out cycling. But why aren't they wearing hi-viz & helmets as RoR says you should ? All of the above clearly shows a level of ignorance of not just RoR, but also basic traffic awareness and fundamental self-preservation. Putting yourself in harms way is contributing to the problem - why would anyone do this ? Pages 192-201 of your link should be required reading for everyone, including non-cyclists. This would also inform non-cyclists of what should be happening on the road, and an awful lot of it isn't.
Drivers don't accidentally speed, or pick up their phones, or drink drive. Cyclists don't accidentally decide to cycle on the path. Pedestrians don't accidentally decide to walk on the cycle section of the path. These are all deliberate actions, intentional actions.
Because Irish motorists continue to kill two or three people each week on our roads.
Now, here's another question for you to avoid - which of your family members would you choose to sacrifice to be killed for the greater good of the convenience of motorists not having to obey traffic laws - a parent perhaps, or the sibling you had a fight with, or the difficult child? Which one of your family will the the chosen one for the 'greater good'?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » I don't focus solely on speed.
And enough with the Canada stories. It would be hard to pick a country LESS like Ireland in terms of geography, weather and culture. It's just of no relevance here, and if it was in any way relevant, you'd need to provide a much deeper analysis that you've shown here to prove anything.
Just like motorists then...
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Because they're the only people I've seen cycling on footpaths, apart from those teenage bike gangs.
ewc78 wrote: » Can you pull a wheelie with stabilisers on a bike? That would be cool. Though I'm sure any responsible parent wouldn't want their kid doing it down the middle of a busy road...
Hurrache wrote: » It would be quite easy to do so, so yes. I'm that cool. But why are you now talking about cool kids doing wheelies on roads when we were talking about them on footpaths? More shifting goalposts?
Hurrache wrote: » But imagine kids doing wheelies, on footpaths! It would be the third horseman of the apocalypse joining up with his buddies riding Covid-19 and racial tensions. We should be terrified as to what the 4th, and final, one would bring.
galwaytt wrote: » 3 times since the weekend locally I have come across cyclists (rurally) not wearing high viz - one had it folded an on their carrier. Another not wearing a hi-viz whilst weaving in & out of a 60km/h carriageway outside a marked hard shoulder ...because they had their headphones on AND was either taking a selfie or live streaming as they - careened - along the road. And I met a cyclist who obviously thinks they're a pedestrian (otherwise explain why you're cycling against traffic on the wrong side of the road). The fine weather we've enjoyed has seen hi-viz in particular cast aside for some reason. I ride a 365kg motorcycle most of the time. It's big, heavy, makes a noise to announce it's presence, has mandatory headlight on always - and I wear hi-viz on that - even RoR advises to do so - but I do it to enhance my visibility to others. For Learners and N-plate holders it's legally mandatory by reason of fine and penalty points - so you could be doing that for 4 years. But people on 10kg bicycles see themselves as invincible it seems and don't seem to see the need for them. Great to see families and kids out cycling. But why aren't they wearing hi-viz & helmets as RoR says you should ? .
Hurrache wrote: » People complain about people on footpaths, people complain about kids doing wheelies on roads, ergo people would explode by people doing wheelies, on footpaths. Nothing wrong with that conclusion, and it's in keeping with the general nonsense-ness of the whole last few pages.
