Geuze wrote: » The way I might design it is as follows: Services are (1) Westport - DUB (2) Ballina - GY (3) GY - LK (4) local stopping trains on doubled track GY to Athenry The Westport train and the Ballina train cross in Claremorris. So pax from both starting points can change, and go to DUB or GY. Claremorris station to be expanded to a regional hub, with busses from Sligo and other places stopping there to transfer pax onto trains. Two LC either side of Ballindine and LC near Milltown eliminated. Line speed on all track other than GY-Athenry to be minimum 120kph, preferably 160kph. Track doubled from Athenry to GY, line speeds increased to 200 kph max. New stations at Renmore/Merlin (where?) and Roscam. Stopping train to provide GY - Renmore - Roscam - Oranmore - Athenry all day. Doubled track to be electrified, to prepare for Ireland 2040 plan and general pop growth, and modal switch.
Sam Russell wrote: » The trains leaving Tuam are destined for Galway or Limerick? The trains leaving Ennis are going to Tuam or Galway? The trains going from Limerick Junction to Ennis go via Limerick and have to change ends, so why not at Athenry? Is this thought through?
TCDStudent1 wrote: » Is it possible to listen back to this debate?
ShaneC1600 wrote: » I was listening to the debate between Cannon and O Cuiv on GBFM yesterday regarding the reopening of the Western Rail Corridor. Ciaran Cannon mentioned previous reports and a figure of 8 to 100 against the railway. Would anyone have the name of this report?
ShaneC1600 wrote: » Yea I have heard it before and people use it often but I’ve never heard the source.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Varadkar called out the same when he was Transport Minister so it would be back during his reign I'd say.
Sam Russell wrote: » So you have not been to Athenry, and you do not know anything about the routing or even what has been proposed. Have you even been to Limerick Junction? It might help you yo understand the routing problem. Add in the single track nature of the train service, and then you have a scheduling nightmare. One train late causes huge knock on delays. I will leave it there.
end of the road wrote: » i don't know, there aren't any trains from tuam. but i would suspect galway would at least be a destination yes should there ever be any. they are going to galway or limerick. again there are no trains to tuam so i am not going to know if there will be any trains from ennis. because they may not have to do so at athenry? the layout may in fact allow through running, but i have never been there so don't know. is what thought through?
Sam Russell wrote: » The trains leaving Tuam are destined for Galway or Limerick?
Sam Russell wrote: » The trains leaving Ennis are going to Tuam or Galway?
Sam Russell wrote: » The trains going from Limerick Junction to Ennis go via Limerick and have to change ends, so why not at Athenry?
Sam Russell wrote: » Is this thought through?
Muckyboots wrote: » I care and so does my wife. .
Isambard wrote: » In my experience you'd have to change trains at Limerick on a Lim Junc to Ennis journey. The one I was on was described as a through service but wasn't. If you can change in Limerick, why would someone think you shouldn't have to change at Athenry on a Tuam service?
Sligo eye wrote: » At this stage who cares, the timetable and service patterns can’t be established until the service gets approval?
end of the road wrote: » where are you getting the idea that it would be a connecting service, we don't know what the service pattern would be as it has not even to my knowledge been discussed. it's an assumption made with no basis from what i can see, made on the basis that the driver has to change ends at athenry which is not an issue these days with multiple unit trains. bus and car may just about provide the needs for some, but it is never going to be thee sollution and galway cannot take any more cars hence rail being needed and talked about, and bus is not going to be the transport option to cut that car traffic because if it was, it would have done it long ago.
Accidentally wrote: » Greany, We can pretend as much as you want, but the truth is no one outside of Irish Rail and WRC enthusiasts would expect commuter figures for Oranmore to be included in WRC passenger numbers. It is deceitful at best. I grew up in the countryside with no public transport, where you hitched and begged lifts wherever you could. I now bring kids wherever they need to go, but it doesn't stop at 12 or 13, it stops when they learn how to drive. To me the WRC is a solution in search of a problem, and Tuam-Galway commuting appears to be one(if not the primary)problem it proposes to fix. It would appear that I am one of the target customers for the WRC, as I regularly travel between Tuam and Galway. Here are the issues I have. 1. I want to travel to Galway, and have no desire to travel to Athenry, or spend time connecting there. It might be okay as a one off, but it is not something I would consider on a daily basis. I don't think there's even a bus service between the two towns, so there is minimal local demand between the two towns. 2. To be useful you would need a regular service(every hour?), but I cannot see passenger numbers supporting this, especially for a connecting service. 3. Burke's cover the city centre, colleges, business parks and some estates. Rail would cover city centre only, with a bus or walk required for the others. In short, bus and car already cover the needs of people in Tuam. Rail would provide minimal benefit for a huge investment, which could be much better used elsewhere. If you want to invest in rail, reopen the line to Navan, where you already have the numbers. Even Athlone-Mullingar would make more sense that Athenry-Tuam.
Sam Russell wrote: » The M17 and the M18 were built too far East. Or more importantly, the M18/M17 should have been built going South East from Limerick and be called the M20.
Sam Russell wrote: » That is equivalent to justifying the Rosslare to Dublin line using figures for commuters to Dubin from Greystones, or Rathdrum. Not all trains that go from Limerick to Ennis continue to Athenry Only 4 trains a day go from Ennis to Galway each way. Of course, Limerick to Galway takes two hours. It is one hour 20 mins non-stop.
end of the road wrote: » if they are getting on a train that originates from limerick then they are part of that train. if that train wasn't running, they wouldn't be there.
L1011 wrote: » The 29s will need a mid life full refit by then - don't be surprised if a few cars succumb to corrosion; and the 2600s will be over 30 and at risk of being scrapped rather than refit also. They (2600) are probably worth refitting but the maths may say no - as long as we get to see the maths and aren't told to trust it like with the Mk3s So don't expect all released 29ks to be available for other services basically.
Deleted User wrote: » That's all good and well however the shockingly poor performance of the Ennis - Athenry section has put the rest of the line to bed forever. Sligo CoCo are now committed to changing the use to a greenway. Galway CoCo applied for funding also for a feasibility study on converting it to a greenway. As for your earlier posts about oodles of students using it, that's just not true. There is publicly available data from the schools themselves that show bugger all students use the existing rail line. If you have data that says otherwise, I invite you to show it. Btw, anecdotal evidence doesn't merit further discussion
Accidentally wrote: » I'm getting really tired of this nonsense where a surge in commuter numbers from Oranmore to Galway is being attributed to the western rail corridor. I think everyone agrees that double tracking to Athenry or further would be a good idea, but it has sod all to do with the western rail corridor.
Sligo eye wrote: » Sorry, but I’ve been “an interested bystander” of your campaign for some years now and most of it consists of mealy mouthed rhetoric such as the post above. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.
Sligo eye wrote: » This is a classic example of propaganda put out by the anti rail movement that makes all sorts of false statements about the railway without any actual data to back those statements up.
Greaney wrote: » Crikey, I don't know where you're getting your information!! Everyone knows the number are climbing very healthily... This is from Feb 2020PASSENGER NUMBERS SOAR ON WESTERN RAIL CORRIDOR
donvito99 wrote: » How many times does it need to be said that anti-continuation of a meandering railway service to Sligo via nowhere and Tuam is not anti-rail.
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