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Big Brand names whose products are way overrated

Capt. Autumn

Can I kick off with Dyson?

A huge launch and massive marketing drive for Dyson products but I've always been underwhelmed by how they actually perform. Maybe the fuss generated is something to do with it being the first UK designed product to make a big splash in many the year but, for me, they are the Apple of products from a marketing perspective but an Acer in terms of performance.

When I finally kicked my under-performing Dyson to the kerb and replaced in with a big ugly Meile, I nearly cried in gratitude when I heard the motor rumble to life and watched as my carpet was sucked to within an inch of it's life.

So, what brands do you think are overrated?

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CrankyHaus

Homelander wrote: »

My housemate goes through about 3 normal sized bottles of mayo every week! He buys Aldi's version, he's actually not concerned at all with the cost, he just likes it. The difference per year would be literally hundreds of euro...

That's gas. I suppose I was just looking at it from my POV

Sheep_shear

CrankyHaus wrote: »

If you genuinely taste no difference more power to you.

I honestly don't

You'll get a decent cup of tea at mine, no cheap stuff.

c.p.w.g.w

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There's few things worse than calling around to a house (pre-Covid of course), and seeing they are making the tea with McGraths or that one they sell in Lidl. Even the sight of Lyons isn't great to be honest.

People who skimp on teabags are the sort of money-pinching misers who also consider all-you-can-eat buffets to be good value, scour the Bargain Alerts forum for cheap Chinese smartphones, and who buy a Dacia Duster.

It's funny you say that, we normally get Fallon's(Lidl Tea) and our guest drink up their tea no problem...

But since Covid19 we have been staying away from Lidl and just do the shop in Tesco(bigger store, not as cramp OH just felt safer) so bought Barry's...the difference in taste was noticeable, found I had to leave the bag in for 10 minutes to get any taste...Fallon's leave it sit for 3 minutes, squeeze, splash of milk...enjoy

Feisar

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

It's funny you say that, we normally get Fallon's(Lidl Tea) and our guest drink up their tea no problem...

But since Covid19 we have been staying away from Lidl and just do the shop in Tesco(bigger store, not as cramp OH just felt safer) so bought Barry's...the difference in taste was noticeable, found I had to leave the bag in for 10 minutes to get any taste...Fallon's leave it sit for 3 minutes, squeeze, splash of milk...enjoy

Loose tea is where it's at.

the beer revolu

Feisar wrote: »

Loose tea is where it's at.

Yes, I don't think that anyone who uses teabags can afford to be snobby about it!

[Deleted User]

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

It's funny you say that, we normally get Fallon's(Lidl Tea) and our guest drink up their tea no problem...

But since Covid19 we have been staying away from Lidl and just do the shop in Tesco(bigger store, not as cramp OH just felt safer) so bought Barry's...the difference in taste was noticeable, found I had to leave the bag in for 10 minutes to get any taste...Fallon's leave it sit for 3 minutes, squeeze, splash of milk...enjoy

Leaving the bag in for 3 mins or 10 mins, that would be undrinkable. I usually don’t even leave the bag in, I hold it and dunk it for about 10 or 15 seconds and bin it, good shot of milk and enjoy! Always Barry’s too miles ahead of any other tea.

[Deleted User]

CrankyHaus wrote: »

...........

Similar accounting applies to teabags. Your overall expenditure on them is so low in the first place that saying own-brand is 4 times cheaper is misleading. Especially since you're just guaranteeing you won't enjoy every one of those 240 cups of tea, with time, milk and maybe sugar added, that you'll get from the box.

Rumour has it Barry's produce Super Value own brand tea.

Hotblack Desiato

L1011 wrote: »

the Jameson family weren't Catholic

They do (or, did when I was there) admit on the Jameson tour that John Jameson was, shock horror, Scottish!

So it's a Dublin whiskey made in Cork, an Irish whiskey founded by a Scot

Hotblack Desiato

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Your wrong, its takes a while for a pint of Guiness to settle and this is why there is a two part pour.

Did you watch the video I posted a few posts back? Nothing wrong with the head on that one.

Kilboor

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Microsoft Office.

You have to pay a subscription for this now. I lost my installed version during the upgrade to Win 10.
For most home users the functions they'll use haven't changed since '97 so the subscription is a complete rip off.

I changed to Libre Office and haven't looked back.

This is a great thread apart from the Apple v Android debate.

Microsoft Excel is a superb application used to complete complicated and repetitive functions in the finance world.

Not sure about the rest and I despise Word.

irishguitarlad

Gibson guitars, you can get a lovely les paul from various guitar manufacturers for a third of the price or even less. You can even buy a cheapo modelo and mod it and it would sound the like the dogs ballócks for a couple of hundred. Actually gibson are in massive financial trouble as people are wisening up that other guitar makers are seriously improving and they are a lot cheaper.

PARlance

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Did you watch the video I posted a few posts back? Nothing wrong with the head on that one.

I pulled enough pints straight up, in my college days, to know that it makes f all difference in appearance once settled.

We had a regular who couldn't be bothered with the wait.

L1011

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Your wrong, its takes a while for a pint of Guiness to settle and this is why there is a two part pour. The reason for the two part pour is.

1) It allows the pint to settle before giving it to the customer
2) When the pint is settled and the barman is adding the last fifth of the pint it gives a much better head.

The next time your in a pub ask the barman to pull a pint straight with one pour and ask them to pull it normally with the the two part pour and compare the pints. The two part pour pint will win hands down as your topping up the pint when its allready settled, resulting in a better head on the pint.

Thats what Diageo marketing have told you, not what actually happens. Which is the entire point.

You won't notice the difference

It's pantomime to recreate some of the legitimately slow pour of the pre draught product.

c.p.w.g.w

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

Leaving the bag in for 3 mins or 10 mins, that would be undrinkable. I usually don’t even leave the bag in, I hold it and dunk it for about 10 or 15 seconds and bin it, good shot of milk and enjoy! Always Barry’s too miles ahead of any other tea.

Tea bag should be left brew for between 2-5 minutes depending on the blend...

15 seconds your just lightly flavouring the water...

Mind you i like strong tasting tea...

Fallons brewed for 3 minutes is perfect for my tastes, it reminds of a kenyan blend of loose leaf I had in London last time over in this hipster tea shop

snoopboggybog

L1011 wrote: »

Thats what Diageo marketing have told you, not what actually happens. Which is the entire point.

You won't notice the difference

It's pantomime to recreate some of the legitimately slow pour of the pre draught product.

Have you ever pulled a pint of Guinness? You get a better head with the two part pour. That's the whole point!

Adyx

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Have you ever pulled a pint of Guinness? You get a better head with the two part pour. That's the whole point!

I've pulled at least 50,000 pints of Guinness. Two-part pour makes no difference. It's just marketing crap.

Feisar

Adyx wrote: »

I've pulled at least 50,000 pints of Guinness. Two-part pour makes no difference. It's just marketing crap.

I served my time behind the counter as well. Would you not accept the domed head slightly proud of the glass is achieved by letting the first pour settle?

Adyx

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Microsoft Office.

You have to pay a subscription for this now. I lost my installed version during the upgrade to Win 10.
For most home users the functions they'll use haven't changed since '97 so the subscription is a complete rip off.

I changed to Libre Office and haven't looked back.

This is a great thread apart from the Apple v Android debate.

For most users the sub isn't worth it. If you need cloud storage it's definitely a good option though instead of paying for Dropbox. Office and one Terabyte of storage from €69 a year isn't bad.

L1011

snoopboggybog wrote: »

Have you ever pulled a pint of Guinness? You get a better head with the two part pour. That's the whole point!

Yes. Been quite a while now but the hoodoo was developed quite a bigger while before that.

You don't

You've been got by Diageo marketing.

Feisar wrote: »

I served my time behind the counter as well. Would you not accept the domed head slightly proud of the glass is achieved by letting the first pour settle?

Nobody is going to notice any minor visual difference after one pint, or in a slightly dim pub. Which is oddly the normal conditions present in the pubs that most people go on about being the best pubs for pints!

I'd be quite interested in seeing how short a rest is required for that anyway - could easily be 10 rather than 110 seconds.

Adyx

Feisar wrote: »

I served my time behind the counter as well. Would you not accept the domed head slightly proud of the glass is achieved by letting the first pour settle?

You'd still get the domed head with a single pour. Maybe it's slightly easier with the two-part pour. Id' argue that the "perfect, domed head" is just marketing anyway. Not saying the pint shouldn't look good and inviting, but realistically, how many people would notice or care? It certainly has no effect on the taste.

Diageo spend millions annually marketing Guinness (which is fair enough) and it's all on the "perfect pour", the "irish tradition" and quirky tv ads. Little to none of it on the taste or quality of the beer.

Now, I've no issue with Guinness at all. It's fine for what it is and god knows there's an awful lot of crap craft beers out there, but Guinness has this mystical, holy rep to it and Diageo are happy to exploit it.

Feisar

Adyx wrote: »

You'd still get the domed head with a single pour. Maybe it's slightly easier with the two-part pour. Id' argue that the "perfect, domed head" is just marketing anyway. Not saying the pint shouldn't look good and inviting, but realistically, how many people would notice or care? It certainly has no effect on the taste.

Diageo spend millions annually marketing Guinness (which is fair enough) and it's all on the "perfect pour", the "irish tradition" and quirky tv ads. Little to none of it on the taste or quality of the beer.

Now, I've no issue with Guinness at all. It's fine for what it is and god knows there's an awful lot of crap craft beers out there, but Guinness has this mystical, holy rep to it and Diageo are happy to exploit it.

I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding Guinness, it's all marketing. It's a very average stout, however I just think the two part pour achieves the most presentable pint.

Can the Cork lads chime in, is it the same with Murphy's?

Capt'n Midnight

Kilboor wrote: »

Microsoft Excel is a superb application used to complete complicated and repetitive functions in the finance world.

Only 88% of Excel files have mistakes.

Not sure about the rest and I despise Word.

I still have muscle memory for Ctrl KB KK KC KV from older easier to use word processors. And it's way faster than using a mouse.

And don't get me started on Office's "hide rarely used features so you'll never ever find them" default.

retalivity

Ffs stop talking about pints, i want to go to the pub.

Kilboor

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Only 88% of Excel files have mistakes.

I still have muscle memory for Ctrl KB KK KC KV from older easier to use word processors. And it's way faster than using a mouse.

And don't get me started on Office's "hide rarely used features so you'll never ever find them" default.

What are the alternatives to Excel? I know some very high profile traders, hedge fund managers, and CEOs who would sing praises about Excel, and they're no idiots. I don't think the fact 88% of sheets have mistakes is justification to say it's a bad product to be honest.

Simply is no other better solution for managing datasets. It was and continues to be a vital element of using data to make decisions in every aspect of business today. A bad product it is not I would say. Overrated? Compared to what?

Adyx

Feisar wrote: »

I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding Guinness, it's all marketing. It's a very average stout, however I just think the two part pour achieves the most presentable pint.

Can the Cork lads chime in, is it the same with Murphy's?

Stcking an umbrella in a cocktail makes it more presentable as well.:pac:

Ah no, I'd actually agree with you about presentation, I just think the whole mysticism about the two-part pour is nonsense. Where I work we show tourists how to pull their own pint of Guinness and they love the whole ritual of it. Thankfully, I'm not behind the bar anymore.

I worked in a place that had Guinness, Beamish and Murphys. They had a special stick for clearing the massive head off Beamish and Murphys so they ended up being 3 or 4 part pours.

A large bottle off the shelf was always more popular here in Waterford.

whisky_galore

Augeo wrote: »

Rumour has it Barry's produce Super Value own brand tea.

It's not like SV would go to the bother of sourcing, importing and processing its own tea in a plant built for themselves. Supermarket own brand stuff is packed under the same roof as the so called premium brands.

JohnnyFlash

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And all used the BSD stack for TCP/IP networking and utilities. With considerable differences in implementation.

This makes me :mad: every time I have a networking issue or delay in reacquiring setting specially with WiFi in windows where it just works in the others. Sick of uninstalling / disabling / device manager / even regedit just to get WiFi to connect if there's anything non standard.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Only 88% of Excel files have mistakes.

I still have muscle memory for Ctrl KB KK KC KV from older easier to use word processors. And it's way faster than using a mouse.

And don't get me started on Office's "hide rarely used features so you'll never ever find them" default.

I presume 88% of errors in Excel files relates to humans inputting incorrect data as presumed to some fatal flaw in the software that hasn't been discovered in over 30 years of development.

Why is all you hardcore IT guys are always finding issues with software that 99.999999% of users have little or no issue with? Like when is the last time any regular Joe had any issue with connecting to a Wifi network? Or have to reinstall their OS twice a year.

There's a hint of the crusty old mainframe admin about this stuff. Nostalgia for batch scripts, dot matrix printers, and Usenet. That era is over. Most modern technology works almost flawlessly.

dominatinMC

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Only 88% of Excel files have mistakes.

That's more of an indictment of the user than the software IMO. I use MATLAB, Python, Fortran for various tasks, but regularly come back to Excel for basic calculations and data management. Mainly because it is intuitive, easy to use, accessible, and a well-rounded piece of computational software. The fact that 88% of Excel users can't follow the simple BOMDAS paradigm doesn't make it an overrated product :pac:

[Deleted User]

Feisar wrote: »

I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding Guinness, it's all marketing. It's a very average stout,

I would massively disagree. There is no better drink on this planet than a top class pint of Guinness, absolute bainne!! While I don't mind the IPAs etc Ive been tearing into during lockdown and a few cans of Guinness also there is just nothing to even come close to a good pint of Guinness on draught.

As for the two part pour, there is not doubt you get a better pint with it than with a single pour with a crap head etc. I wouldn't accept a pint that was poured in a single go, have refused pints abroad for it and instructed the bar people on how to do it properly.

the beer revolu

Paris Skinny Wallpaper wrote: »

I would massively disagree. There is no better drink on this planet than a top class pint of Guinness, absolute bainne!! While I don't mind the IPAs etc Ive been tearing into during lockdown and a few cans of Guinness also there is just nothing to even come close to a good pint of Guinness on draught.

As for the two part pour, there is not doubt you get a better pint with it than with a single pour with a crap head etc. I wouldn't accept a pint that was poured in a single go, have refused pints abroad for it and instructed the bar people on how to do it properly.

You really are such a brand bunny, Nox.
Marketing people adore people like you.