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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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Christy42

robinph wrote: »

So is the best way to do that saying that you're going to smash some heads together and lock people up and we couldn't give a damn what people as upset about, or might it be better to say you are going to resolve the issue that have caused the rioting and anyone still out causing trouble will get their heads smashed together?

Indeed. I think DC shows up the lie that things would have been different with a peaceful protest. Some are looking to bash in heads whether or not the protests were violent.

There are many instances of individual areas where cops support the protestors rights from the start and do it right.

Carfacemandog

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I think it's very striking that even at this stage, he hasn't even attempted to say something that can calm or unify people. He's a disgrace to his office.

Also no talk of "very fine people on both sides" like when neo nazis who support him were causing mayhem and violence in Charlottesville.

Leroy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

There are over 300 million people in the Us. Law and order needs to be restored first and foremost.

No ifs no buts

Because if there is one thing that the US has learned is that military intervention always solves the problem!

The vast majority of the protestors are peaceful. They have every right to protest, and the government should listen to them.

So the question becomes how to do allow the constitutional right of every citizen to protest peacefully whilst at the same time dealing with the criminality.

You, and Trump, seem to think that the answer is to crack down, treat everyone as a threat and if that means rubber bullets and locking people in their homes then so be it.

aloyisious

20Cent wrote: »

The governors have to refuse to mobilise the military against their own people' Trump will then order them in.

The military can either refuse or do it.

There's the tipping point between the rule of law and fascism.
Trump clearly wants fascism.

Governors United against Trump, GOP included, as the danger is there for them as well if they let the precedent be established de facto. The image of N/G troops on state borders standing up against the regular Army bizarre as it sounds? The individual GOP senators in Washington will wilt at the thought.

robinph

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

There are over 300 million people in the Us. Law and order needs to be restored first and foremost.

No ifs no buts

So is the best way to do that saying that you're going to smash some heads together and lock people up and we couldn't give a damn what people as upset about, or might it be better to say you are going to resolve the issue that have caused the rioting and anyone still out causing trouble will get their heads smashed together?

ExMachina1000

Leroy42 wrote: »

And no rationale person is going to disagree with the overall sentiment.

The issue is that what are the options? There is clearly a cohort using these protests as an excuse for criminality. Unfortunately that the case for almost everything. But just like we cannot disband the police because of a few bad apples, cracking down, dominating or whatever is the term is not the answer.

No doubt, if you send the riot police, or army in, then control will be restored, but at what cost? The underlying issue has not been dealt with, and in fact you will have just created more people that fear and mistrust the government.

So Trump coming out with his slogan sounds great, works well in movies, but unfortunately this is real life.

There is clearly a major racism issue within the US, and that runs into the police force who continually distance themselves from the pubic with their balaclavas, heavy weapons and militarisation.

There are over 300 million people in the Us. Law and order needs to be restored first and foremost.

No ifs no buts

PropJoe10

I think it's very striking that even at this stage, he hasn't even attempted to say something that can calm or unify people. He's a disgrace to his office.

Leroy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

4 police officers shot last night. Insanity

Authorities must retake control . Violent extremists from both left and right along with opportunistic rioters and looters must be stopped .

And no rationale person is going to disagree with the overall sentiment.

The issue is that what are the options? There is clearly a cohort using these protests as an excuse for criminality. Unfortunately that the case for almost everything. But just like we cannot disband the police because of a few bad apples, cracking down, dominating or whatever is the term is not the answer.

No doubt, if you send the riot police, or army in, then control will be restored, but at what cost? The underlying issue has not been dealt with, and in fact you will have just created more people that fear and mistrust the government.

So Trump coming out with his slogan sounds great, works well in movies, but unfortunately this is real life.

There is clearly a major racism issue within the US, and that runs into the police force who continually distance themselves from the pubic with their balaclavas, heavy weapons and militarisation.

20Cent

The governors have to refuse to mobilise the military against their own people' Trump will then order them in.

The military can either refuse or do it.

There's the tipping point between the rule of law and fascism.
Trump clearly wants fascism.

Christy42

namloc1980 wrote: »

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I wonder do the likes of Scott Walker actually and genuinely believe the absolute guff they put out there about Trump. Utter sycophant.

Indeed. Biden has been out there talking to protestors. Trump has peaceful ones cleared out of his way so he can have a photo op.

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yep, the easily triggered liberal left see it as the action of a dictator.

Whilst others see it as the President of the United States walking across the street to the Church of St. Johns, commonly referred to as the Church of The Presidents, given every US oresident in history is thought to have attended service there. And holding up their book of prayer a few days after this historic builiding was nearly burned down by peaceful protestors.

I guess arson is a form of peacful protest for what passes for a liberal these days .

Yes, the eaily triggered liberal left in the states. Then all of Europe, then all of the rest of the world. So many people so easily triggered.

Sure they're all wrong and you and Kid Rock and Trump are right. Yeah that's the world view, the reality TV gold buildings one - go you.

Just FYI the church was built after some presidents had died so I doubt they attended service there.

Gods Gift

Foxtrol wrote: »

The man holds the bible like he has never seen one before

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1267594813710446593?s=20

He confused coz he’s not being asked to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
While holding it.

ExMachina1000

4 police officers shot last night. Insanity

Authorities must retake control . Violent extremists from both left and right along with opportunistic rioters and looters must be stopped .

namloc1980

.

I wonder do the likes of Scott Walker actually and genuinely believe the absolute guff they put out there about Trump. Utter sycophant.

Mehapoy

8-10 wrote: »

This President is particularly poor at unifying his citizens. I'd argue he's doing the opposite.

In other news the Pope is fairly Catholic and Ian Paisley wasn't particularly a fan of his!

aloyisious

Leroy42 wrote: »

What was the point of the walkabout?

He clears the streets of peaceful protestors to stand by a church sign whilst holding up a bible. What is it supposed to mean? That religion will be the salvation? That he is leading through learnings from the Bible? Which, the New or Old Testament?

Again, all he had to do was stand up and call for calm.

Playing the God-card so that he doesn't lose any more of his religious base who have suddenly woken up to the fact they are part of the majority he has been heaping disdain and abuse on daily, with his insisting they not have access to mail-in ballots but MUST get in line to vote for him in Nov as fodder for the success of his campaign.

One thing he said was that the U.S was a nation of laws, something he clearly hijacked from the Democratic Party and it's lead prosecutor of the impeachment case against him in the senate. He's certainly pushing for that, only it's not a straight across the board equal application of criminal law except where the visual evidence forces his hand [as in the present case in Minneapolis].

Your last would imply he had to ask the public for something, not the act of the dominant person.

Leroy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yep, the easily triggered liberal left see it as the action of a dictator.

Whilst others see it as the President of the United States walking across the street to the Church of St. Johns, commonly referred to as the Church of The Presidents, given every US oresident in history is thought to have attended service there. And holding up their book of prayer a few days after this historic builiding was nearly burned down by peaceful protestors.

I guess arson is a form of peacful protest for what passes for a liberal these days .

Are you sure it is only the liberal left and democrats that are upset ?

It would appear to me that this is actually nothing to do with Trump per so, or politics. IT is an equality issue. People can see that things are very far from being right, that there is a large minority in the US that are clearly treated differently, until such time as they can become one of the rare cases of getting out from their background.

Why do you insist that it is political? Can you not set aside your own agenda for one minute to see that this issue is about America an how it conducts itself, and thus the moral authority to speak to countries like China for how they deal with their citizens.

The issue for Trump, is that through is singular inability to care, or if he does care then his complete inability to do anything, if making him look even weaker and further removed from the real US.

Given that he ran on a theme that the US was broken, and that only he could fix it, it is really telling that when faced with such a moment he has nothing to offer except a publicity stunt, in which he had to remove the rights of US citizens to hold a peaceful protest.

Billy Mays

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yep, the easily triggered liberal left see it as the action of a dictator.

Whilst others see it as the President of the United States walking across the street to the Church of St. Johns, commonly referred to as the Church of The Presidents, given every US oresident in history is thought to have attended service there. And holding up their book of prayer a few days after this historic builiding was nearly burned down by peaceful protestors.

I guess arson is a form of peacful protest for what passes for a liberal these days .

That's not exactly how Washington's episcopal bishop saw it

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/i-am-outraged-d-c-episcopal-bishop-decries-trump-clearing-protestors-with-tear-gas-to-use-church-as-a-prop/

Maybe she's just a triggered liberal aswell *shrug*

Penn

RIGOLO wrote: »

Yep, the easily triggered liberal left see it as the action of a dictator.

Whilst others see it as the President of the United States walking across the street to the Church of St. Johns, commonly referred to as the Church of The Presidents, given every US oresident in history is thought to have attended service there. And holding up their book of prayer a few days after this historic builiding was nearly burned down by peaceful protestors.

I guess arson is a form of peacful protest for what passes for a liberal these days .

And having peaceful protestors including the priests of that church teargassed and removed from the church grounds in order for Trump to have that photo-op? Is there anything in the book of prayer about that?

RIGOLO

seamus wrote: »

He's talking to his base.

Standing in front of a boarded-up church holding a bible and talking about defending life and property from domestic terrorism.

This was a message aimed only at white christian conservative America telling them that their way of life is under attack and he's coming to save them.

This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.

Yep, the easily triggered liberal left see it as the action of a dictator.

Whilst others see it as the President of the United States walking across the street to the Church of St. Johns, commonly referred to as the Church of The Presidents, given every US oresident in history is thought to have attended service there. And holding up their book of prayer a few days after this historic builiding was nearly burned down by peaceful protestors.

I guess arson is a form of peacful protest for what passes for a liberal these days .

looksee

At least the person in front of the church was the real Donald Trump, the one who looks as though he has no idea what is going on.

I am interested to know who this was https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/donald-trump-national-address-race/index.html

The content was standard speech-making, written by someone else and no more relevant or helpful than usual. But he spoke coherently, in sentences, looking around and being reasonably convincing as a person who was expressing his own thoughts. If you had never heard the stream of consciousness (or unconcsiousness) stuff you could think this was the real thing. He wasn't reading from a page or, apparently, from a prompter. What he said is not the point, how he said it is the question. Has he been practising, or have they found a stand-in?

seamus

Leroy42 wrote: »

What was the point of the walkabout?

He's talking to his base.

Standing in front of a boarded-up church holding a bible and talking about defending life and property from domestic terrorism.

This was a message aimed only at white christian conservative America telling them that their way of life is under attack and he's coming to save them.

This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.

Leroy42

What was the point of the walkabout?

He clears the streets of peaceful protestors to stand by a church sign whilst holding up a bible. What is it supposed to mean? That religion will be the salvation? That he is leading through learnings from the Bible? Which, the New or Old Testament?

It was so bizarre and clearly aimed at 'showing' the world that he isn't hiding in his bunker. So yet again when faced with a crisis his first issue is how HE is being portrayed. How unfair it is on HIM.

I saw a lot of the tweets fro Trump supporters exclaiming, a bit like Rigolo, that this is real leadership. That he has to get tough on those libs and, at least according to rigolo, all the protestors are Democrats.

But where was Trump calling for the National Guard when those guys stored the government building in Michigan recently? Why was he not calling them terrorists and threatening the military?

Again, all he had to do was stand up and call for calm.

Say "we are all Americans, all in this together, that he is setting up a committee to review police, he feels peoples pain and it is one of the reasons he ran for POTUS was to make the lives of all people better. What happened, and happens throughout the country, is unacceptable and the people responsible must be held to account by the justice system. But we are a country that is based on democracy and justice, and justice does not involve looting and attacking the police. Many community leaders have called fro calm, and I join them, as a fellow American, as the current violence is tearing our country apart. This won't be solved be me, or you, or any one person. It requires every person to look at themselves and see how they can be better, if not for themselves then for the country. "

The Nal

Harry Palmr wrote: »

He's not that good! Nixon is still worse

Nixon created the National Cancer Act, ended the draft, ended the Vietnam War, was the first president to visit China, negotiated an anti ballistic missile treaty with the Soviets, created the Environmental Protection Agency, lowered the voting age from 21 to 18, ended segregation in Southern schools, created a civil rights law preventing gender bias at colleges....

aloyisious

RIGOLO wrote: »

Interesting to see the predominantly Democrat strongholds being burned to the ground . The irony of rioters in cities which have Democrat senators, mayors, councilman, AGs, police chiefs etc all venting thier anger in senseless destruction and mayhem with much of it directed at their Republican President is self-evidently conveniently swept under the carpet.

so RIP to George Floyd, no man deserved that, hope the cop goes down hard for this.

Maybe these people are protesting that African Americans had never had it so good under President Trump, with their business ownership rates , employment levels, Black College funding , criminal justice refrorms all trending positively for their communities.

Welcome back, strawman, despite your attempts at sarcasm, it's good to see you acknowledge the fuse that lit the fire.

8-10

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

America has been a laughing stock for over three years.

Yeah I don't agree with that. I think it's lost considerable credibility in the past 3 years. Even if you disagreed or found some aspects of their politics and society funny before then, it still had quite a lot of respect internationally. I don't think it's the same anymore.

Which, if America First is your policy, might be fine, but in practice that's not going to work if you become even more divisive domestically, which again I think was happening before but is much more pronounced in recent years.

This President is particularly poor at unifying his citizens. I'd argue he's doing the opposite.

trashcan

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Everything he does is unnatural looking and sounding. He stands and walks weird even.

It literally looks like someone came down and is acting like a "male human entity".

Reminds me of a recent quote about Dominic Cummings.."He's a human being, presumably.."

bad2dabone

Pretty good: 106k dead, 40m out of work, cities on fire.

Rigolo's rigourous standards.

Penn

And it says something about Trump's narcissism that he felt they were a laughing stock, and to combat that, he thought the best thing would be to have the police remove peaceful protesters from church grounds, which included the priests of that church, so Trump could take a walk down to the church, hold up a Bible (not his Bible, obviously since it's a book he's never read, just "a" Bible), and walk back to the WH.

Yeah, that'll stop the laughter.

Timberrrrrrrr

8-10 wrote: »

As Trump said himself yesterday, America is becoming a laughing stock

America has been a laughing stock for over three years.