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How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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Continuation of the How long before Irish reunification? thread.

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Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

I am just not about to surrender my country to them.

It's not your country to surrender and the moment a majority vote for unification it ceases to exist. One way or another you're going to be living in Ireland with Irish people running the show. You'd actually have more control over your future as 1-in-7 of the population of a United Ireland rather than a 1-in-60 pain-in-the-hole for Britain.

Whatever happens there is one direction-of-travel in all this and that is the increasing weaving together of the north-east six counties with the rest of the country and nothing can stop that.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

So you’ve got it as well. Success. Now you have empathy.

I would think it would be ridiculous roi aligning with England. Especially given all the difficult history. Now join the dots.

Shame you guys didn't persuade a majority Unionists of this at the GFA because they have said they will abide by the decision of the majority.

[Deleted User]

downcow wrote: »

So you’ve got it as well. Success. Now you have empathy.

I would think it would be ridiculous roi aligning with England. Especially given all the difficult history. Now join the dots.

Hmm....ive always had empathy

But,sereval advantages of reunification have been outlined,

While what your proposing is to spread the failure that is the 6 counties across the entire island,by aligning with england

Slight difference there old chap

Sucess breeds success,while failure breeds apathy,which is why you fear reunification the most...poor people in your area might thrive and see through the DUP and their rubbish and will.most likely ultimately thrive in a utd ireland

downcow

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is your proposed outcome of aligning with england...NI presently is and it has failed to function properly as a country and poverty is rampant,by every metric it has been a failure

Whereas the free state is near on opposite??bit like turkeys voting for xmas mate,but your free to propose it and try win people about to your view

So you’ve got it as well. Success. Now you have empathy.

I would think it would be ridiculous roi aligning with England. Especially given all the difficult history. Now join the dots.

[Deleted User]

downcow wrote: »

You were struggling to understand why I wouldn’t want to unite with the other country on this island.
......but hey. Sure that a good way to avoid dealing with the parallel of Roi uniting with England Or should I say re-unifying?

What is your proposed outcome of aligning with england...NI presently is and it has failed to function properly as a country and poverty is rampant,by every metric it has been a failure

Whereas the free state is near on opposite??bit like turkeys voting for xmas mate,but your free to propose it and try win people about to your view

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What?

Your the one struggling to realise that your singular bigoted beligerent vote isn't one that concerns me. Your outlook has no value in a United Ireland. Why would I care whether you want to be Swedish or Vietnamese rather than be confused for someone from Ravensdale? Off you pop.

I think you’ve got it now lol

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

Here bonnie. Tell me , do you get it now. Why I wouldn’t want to unite with roi? Or is it still all way over your head?

What?

Your the one struggling to realise that your singular bigoted beligerent vote isn't one that concerns me. Your outlook has no value in a United Ireland. Why would I care whether you want to be Swedish or Vietnamese rather than be confused for someone from Ravensdale? Off you pop.

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

You were struggling to understand why I wouldn’t want to unite with the other country on this island.
......but hey. Sure that a good way to avoid dealing with the parallel of Roi uniting with England Or should I say re-unifying?

You elected to construct all these strawmen.

You're now having issue with me not engaging with one of your nonsensical scenarios because I'm continuing to engage you with your other nonsensical scenario. Do you not see how ludicrous this makes you look?

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The person being a small minded sexist is accusing someone else of 'spewing'? Some self awareness might come in handy there Edg.

You cannot bear the thought of a woman delivering change (or rather a SF woman.) hence all the sexist ranting about 'fish-wifes' etc.

What change? If you want to give credit for the G.E. result be sure to give her credit for the Local Election results and the fact that not even the left wing parties want anything to do with S.F.

downcow

Here bonnie. Tell me , do you get it now. Why I wouldn’t want to unite with roi? Or is it still all way over your head?

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Did anyone ask you that question? Or did you form it in your own mind to bring us down another Downcow rabbit hole, because we where shooting holes through your nonsense from earlier today?

You were struggling to understand why I wouldn’t want to unite with the other country on this island.
......but hey. Sure that a good way to avoid dealing with the parallel of Roi uniting with England Or should I say re-unifying?

[Deleted User]

downcow wrote: »

Ok my maths was slightly out. But I’d still chose the Vatican over roi. Would you put many in front of England?

Edward Carson rolling in the grave. "Home Rule means Rome Rule" ring a bell?

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

The silly question was why you think I wouldn’t want to unite with roi?

Think ROI unification with England, Oliver Cromwell, 1966, the butchers apron, her majesty, the paras, etc. And then you’ll have some empathy for my position

Did anyone ask you that question? Or did you form it in your own mind to bring us down another Downcow rabbit hole, because we where shooting holes through your nonsense from earlier today?

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

Ok my maths was slightly out. But I’d still chose the Vatican over roi. Would you put many in front of England?

Why are we uniting with England? What treaty says that if 50%+1 of the people of the ROI votes to unite with England, that we would do so?

Silly question is right.

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

Actually that’s a really interesting question that I don’t think gfa considers

Why would it need to deal with that scenario?

Why would the UK "Balkanise"?

The SOSNI just needs to call for a border poll.

munsterlegend

downcow wrote: »

Ok my maths was slightly out. But I’d still chose the Vatican over roi. Would you put many in front of England?

Perhaps you can go on to boards.vn or boards.se to get your campaign going. In the meantime the rest of us will prepare for the inevitable border poll.

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The absolute state of that post.

What was the silly question?

The silly question was why you think I wouldn’t want to unite with roi?

Think ROI unification with England, Oliver Cromwell, 1966, the butchers apron, her majesty, the paras, etc. And then you’ll have some empathy for my position

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You said there were 200 countries you would rather be with than be in a UI!

Sorry if you confused us by thinking what you wrote to mean what the words indicate.

Ok my maths was slightly out. But I’d still chose the Vatican over roi. Would you put many in front of England?

downcow

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

What does the GFA say in the event the United Kingdom balkanises? Does NI go to Ireland by default then?

Actually that’s a really interesting question that I don’t think gfa considers

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

I was trying to deal with a silly question.
I don’t see ni uniting with anyone other than the uk.
I see some highly unlikely scenarios where it could unite with with England, England & Wales, Scotland or roi I can’t see it uniting with anyone else.
But don’t be under any illusions, if we were handed a straight scenario of uniting with Sweden or roi , I don’t know a single unionist who would chose roi - and that is setting aside the disparity of looks of the females in both regions

The absolute state of that post.

What was the silly question?

downcow

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Well, no.

See there is an ACTUAL legal treaty in place that you voted for, that says that in the event of a majority of the people so voting, that Ireland will be United.

Why do we need your hypothetical nonsense?

I asked you straight out whether you would rather unite with France, Sweden or Vietnam than with the rest of your people on your Island, and you threw me another bizarre hypothetical.

No one in Ireland is agitating for a vote to join England or France or anywhere else. There's no need to talk nonsense when we have an actual treaty in place that we can discuss. Your blind hatred for your fellow Irishmen shows why NI continues to be a cold house for Nationalists and why they will vote to consign the hideous construct to history.

I was trying to deal with a silly question.
I don’t see ni uniting with anyone other than the uk.
I see some highly unlikely scenarios where it could unite with with England, England & Wales, Scotland or roi I can’t see it uniting with anyone else.
But don’t be under any illusions, if we were handed a straight scenario of uniting with Sweden or roi , I don’t know a single unionist who would chose roi - and that is setting aside the disparity of looks of the females in both regions

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

Now you are ripping the arse out of it. No I rather be with you guys. Although that does sound like a list of countries the ira were comfortable cosying up to.

You said there were 200 countries you would rather be with than be in a UI!

Sorry if you confused us by thinking what you wrote to mean what the words indicate.

BonnieSituation

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

What does the GFA say in the event the United Kingdom balkanises? Does NI go to Ireland by default then?

It won't Balkanise.

If it where to though, the SOS will bring forward a referendum pretty quickly no doubt. The legal method exists so there's no need to not use it. Last thing you want to do is give beligerent unionists excuses to attack the legitimacy of the aspirations of Irishmen and women more than they already do.

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

I apologise if I am wrong but I thought the Continuity IRA, the 32 whatever, soairse, etc were all desperate for change to it. I think bobby sands family want the gfa scrapped - am I correct?

Edit. Here is a wee link as you requested one https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/sands-death-to-haunt-sinn-fein-leadership-25-years-on-26382362.html

And how are they getting on?

downcow

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

So you would rather unite with Syria or Iraq or the Democratic Republic of the Congo over the Republic of Ireland? Let your country become majority Muslim or majority Congolese just so themmuns don't get control of Ulster?

Now you are ripping the arse out of it. No I rather be with you guys. Although that does sound like a list of countries the ira were comfortable cosying up to.

[Deleted User]

BonnieSituation wrote: »

NI won't be independent. No one in NI wants this. Why would Nationalists silo themselves with people that don't agree with their aspirations?

The GFA has only two possible scenarios; NI as part of the UK or a United Ireland. That's it. If people want to agitate for changes to the GFA, then that is their prerogative. In the meantime the rest of us are gonna continue down this road.

What does the GFA say in the event the United Kingdom balkanises? Does NI go to Ireland by default then?

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

I apologise if I am wrong but I thought the Continuity IRA, the 32 whatever, soairse, etc were all desperate for change to it. I think bobby sands family want the gfa scrapped - am I correct?

Edit. Here is a wee link as you requested one https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/sands-death-to-haunt-sinn-fein-leadership-25-years-on-26382362.html

Meh. So fringe groups with no political or public support is your reference point? As opposed to 99% of the rest to the island who support the GFA. Why are your points and positions always so laboured and weak? Is this why you would rather be Swedish?

FrancieBrady

Edgware wrote: »

What are you spewing about? What has been delivered?

The person being a small minded sexist is accusing someone else of 'spewing'? Some self awareness might come in handy there Edg.

You cannot bear the thought of a woman delivering change (or rather a SF woman.) hence all the sexist ranting about 'fish-wifes' etc.

BonnieSituation

downcow wrote: »

Let me genuinely help you bonnie.
Would you ever vote to unite roi with England? And if you had to unite with someone would you chose France or England?
Does that help you understand?

Well, no.

See there is an ACTUAL legal treaty in place that you voted for, that says that in the event of a majority of the people so voting, that Ireland will be United.

Why do we need your hypothetical nonsense?

I asked you straight out whether you would rather unite with France, Sweden or Vietnam than with the rest of your people on your Island, and you threw me another bizarre hypothetical.

No one in Ireland is agitating for a vote to join England or France or anywhere else. There's no need to talk nonsense when we have an actual treaty in place that we can discuss. Your blind hatred for your fellow Irishmen shows why NI continues to be a cold house for Nationalists and why they will vote to consign the hideous construct to history.

[Deleted User]

downcow wrote: »

We are a resilient people. Probably no more or less resilient than the Irish. So we will do our best in whatever of you hypothetical scenarios occur.
But I think I said earlier, there are about 200 other countries I would unite with before roi , and we have never been united with most of them either.

So you would rather unite with Syria or Iraq or the Democratic Republic of the Congo over the Republic of Ireland? Let your country become majority Muslim or majority Congolese just so themmuns don't get control of Ulster?