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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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Overheal

Retro. wrote: »

Didn't George Bush spend a week hiding there after 9/11

But Bush led from there. The most people criticize him for is the several minutes he was left seemingly stunned holding a children’s book.

Overheal

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah... an allegedly bombproof bunker under the East Wing. It's called the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center).

#BunkerBitch was trending last night

StringerBell

fullstop wrote: »

Latest coming out of DC is that, in addition to the White House becoming the Dark House, all live stream cameras have been cut and phone signals jammed. Seems pretty ominous.

What's the context for that? Trump hiding out and they are being overly cautious kinda thing jamming signals and cutting off cameras so that people can live stream or follow what's going to happen or what is happening or where secret service or whoever are etc?

fullstop

Latest coming out of DC is that, in addition to the White House becoming the Dark House, all live stream cameras have been cut and phone signals jammed. Seems pretty ominous.

aloyisious

Leroy42 wrote: »

It really is truly appalling the lack of leadership.

He can't give a speech because nobody is going to believe it anyways. Either he will just read it out in the that 3rd Grade book report style of his when he tries to stick to a script or he tries to seem sincere such that he will end up blaming everyone else and talking himself up.

He completely removed himself in relation to Covid, first saying he was in charge, then when facing push back from the governors simply saying it was nothing to do with him and blaming them. He is incapable of looking at anything past himself.

Covid, even the race riots, or actually fairly easy to deal with from a PR POV. Sound empathetic, look concerned and look to bring the nation together. Any difficult issues simply wheel out the line about not being about politics, this is about our sisters, brothers, wives and husbands. Politics can wait.

Almost every other POTUS has done it. Hell even Leo managed it at the start of the lockdown. Doesn't actually mean anything, but it gives people a sense of someone being in overall control in a situation that they have no ability to control.

But that is so far beyond Trump. Even if he wanted to do it, and I actually doubt he does. he knows he doesn't have the ability.

Dan Rather sums up what you said nicely.

Foxtrol

jaykay74 wrote: »

I wonder if Donald welcomes/encourages the move away from Covid19 being the dominant force driving the news cycle to the current protests. I'm not saying its a good look for him but he might think its more familiar comfortable ground for him. Finally back to a conflict he can blame on weak Dem leadership etc. Might explain why he is more willing to fan the flames rather than show leadership to bring the country together (which he obviously has an inability to do anyway but he could at least try).

It is comfortable for him when he can act 'strong', like abusing NFL players for peacefully protesting. I can't see it being comfortable when he is cowering in a bunker and the unheard of turning off the lights in the Whitehouse. When Trump is comfortable we see him in front of the camera pushing a narrative but he has no clue what to do here so is hiding and tweeting.

COVID also isn't going away, that death toll continues to increase. When you look at numbers outside of the NYC area, the rates are holding steady near the peak and that is before the impacts of reopening are really felt. In general numbers should likely drop over the summer but if there are still continuous reasonably high level of infections during that period then the autumn will be a disaster.

Leroy42

It really is truly appalling the lack of leadership.

He can't give a speech because nobody is going to believe it anyways. Either he will just read it out in the that 3rd Grade book report style of his when he tries to stick to a script or he tries to seem sincere such that he will end up blaming everyone else and talking himself up.

He completely removed himself in relation to Covid, first saying he was in charge, then when facing push back from the governors simply saying it was nothing to do with him and blaming them. He is incapable of looking at anything past himself.

Covid, even the race riots, or actually fairly easy to deal with from a PR POV. Sound empathetic, look concerned and look to bring the nation together. Any difficult issues simply wheel out the line about not being about politics, this is about our sisters, brothers, wives and husbands. Politics can wait.

Almost every other POTUS has done it. Hell even Leo managed it at the start of the lockdown. Doesn't actually mean anything, but it gives people a sense of someone being in overall control in a situation that they have no ability to control.

But that is so far beyond Trump. Even if he wanted to do it, and I actually doubt he does. he knows he doesn't have the ability.

Christy42

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Yes, he's hiding when he should be all over the airwaves leading from the front and working to unite the the nation.

He should be trying to unite but given his contributions so far have been the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat and quoting racists in an effort to escalate violence it is probably for the best that he doesn't even try.

Timberrrrrrrr

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Yes, he's hiding when he should be all over the airwaves leading from the front and working to unite the the nation.

Trump in 2014

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1267333905067257857?s=20

ChikiChiki

Cody montana wrote: »

Is he still hiding?

Yes, he's hiding when he should be all over the airwaves leading from the front and working to unite the the nation.

MICKEYG

kowloonkev wrote: »

You're failing to get an understanding of it but I'll try once more. Imposing sanctions on HK and taking away their trade privileges punishes China, and in particular the political and business classes who use HK to invest and as a place to move their money.

Even as important, China loses face when the international community recognizes that China has failed to keep one country two systems and is repressing HK people. The US and many other nations have recognized this but it is led by the US because without their lead, smaller countries are unlikely to take any action.

The UK is a different situation entirely and one would feel they have an obligation here because it's essentially their fault. The US didn't take HK nor give it back.

Why would Trump move or open an embassy to HK? They are not seeking independence. Comparing it to Israel is bizarre.

More actions are needed against China but declaring that China has broken the agreement is a good start.

Is Israel seeking independence?

kowloonkev

Leroy42 wrote: »

So he is standing up for them by refusing to stand up to China?

The British has extended visas for HK residents. Has Trump done the same? Has he announced a new embassy in HK like he did in Jerusalem?

He has done the very least he could have done. He is scared of China,

But he hasn't a leg to stand on. How can he face Xi and tell him to act better towards the protestors when he said he was happy to shot his own people?

You're failing to get an understanding of it but I'll try once more. Imposing sanctions on HK and taking away their trade privileges punishes China, and in particular the political and business classes who use HK to invest and as a place to move their money.

Even as important, China loses face when the international community recognizes that China has failed to keep one country two systems and is repressing HK people. The US and many other nations have recognized this but it is led by the US because without their lead, smaller countries are unlikely to take any action.

The UK is a different situation entirely and one would feel they have an obligation here because it's essentially their fault. The US didn't take HK nor give it back.

Why would Trump move or open an embassy to HK? They are not seeking independence. Comparing it to Israel is bizarre.

More actions are needed against China but declaring that China has broken the agreement is a good start.

EltonJohn69

America must be sick of winning at this stage

Retro.

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah... an allegedly bombproof bunker under the East Wing. It's called the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center).

Didn't George Bush spend a week hiding there after 9/11

TomOnBoard

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So there's a secure room besides the situation room then ?

Yeah... an allegedly bombproof bunker under the East Wing. It's called the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center).

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

He was briefly taken into the White House bunker during protests nearby.

So there's a secure room besides the situation room then ?

Leroy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Hiding ? What have I missed and how is he hiding he's in the White House.

Hiding by not doing anything to lead. Not physically.

Professor Moriarty

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Hiding ? What have I missed and how is he hiding he's in the White House.

He was briefly taken into the White House bunker during protests nearby.

Itssoeasy

Cody montana wrote: »

Is he still hiding?

Hiding ? What have I missed and how is he hiding he's in the White House.

Cody montana

Is he still hiding?

jaykay74

I wonder if Donald welcomes/encourages the move away from Covid19 being the dominant force driving the news cycle to the current protests. I'm not saying its a good look for him but he might think its more familiar comfortable ground for him. Finally back to a conflict he can blame on weak Dem leadership etc. Might explain why he is more willing to fan the flames rather than show leadership to bring the country together (which he obviously has an inability to do anyway but he could at least try).

Overheal

Glico Man wrote: »

Not one to play the conspiracy game, but looks somewhat the police are enticing escalation. At the very least attempting to. Harsher measures inbound for the protestors if that comes about and police get to 'brutalise' more people.

Also, read a follow up tweet of the journalist that was blinded by a rubber bullet shot by police officer. Paraphrasing here, but essentially she called on people to not stop protesting, that it was the police that caused her injury, not someone amongst the protestors. A rallying cry.

https://twitter.com/abc/status/1267291989894139905?s=21

https://twitter.com/caslernoel/status/1267197741018554368?s=21

Rjd2

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I have to agree. I followed the covid situation closely and he lost interest very quickly. It was only beginning and he was acting like it was all sorted and maybe there'd be a resurgence in the fall. It was like it was already gone.

Then obviously massive issues with the police brutality with George, protests, riots, looting, and its obviously a complex problem I've no opinion on how to solve or even if it can be at this stage but he came out and gave a rant about China and just walked off. I couldn't believe he didn't reach out to the people.

The lack of empathy is apparent daily, and I think a lack of empathy just doesn't work for someone in his position. You need empathy. It's not about you right now.

Yeah anyone who says they have the answers to solve police violence is taking the piss. There has been commissions over the years about police behavior and it doesn't seem to have much use.

I think a lot of police clearly have a "warzone" mentality and maybe the ease that people have to guns doesn't help.

I remember reading domestic abuse in police households is much higher in police families than the general population.

At least there needs to be a discussion about how drug crime is policed which is at the core of the issues with the black community and the police for decades.

I'd be curious to know the presence of war veterans in the police also, has to play a factor in the current era.

No easy solutions sadly.

Glico Man

Not one to play the conspiracy game, but looks somewhat the police are enticing escalation. At the very least attempting to. Harsher measures inbound for the protestors if that comes about and police get to 'brutalise' more people.

Also, read a follow up tweet of the journalist that was blinded by a rubber bullet shot by police officer. Paraphrasing here, but essentially she called on people to not stop protesting, that it was the police that caused her injury, not someone amongst the protestors. A rallying cry.

TomOnBoard

Overheal wrote: »

Seen it too. More examples of unethical police discretion. It forces you to ask questions about their judgement.

That's putting it mildly. Those police know that they have the support of the President to come down hard on people , even where they (the police) are going over the line on what is acceptable behaviour.

That group of weekend warriors are using military tactics in a policing situation, and treating residents of a US neighbourhood like they would treat villagers in remote Afghanistan or in Iraq's Fallujah! "Light them Up" is a dreadful military order that has been evoked far too often by US military to commit war crimes abroad. Such an order has no place in a residential area where ppl were standing on their own front porch, looking out from private property. I'll guarantee they won't use that approach in or near Millionaire's Row wherever that happens to be in the Twin Cities, or to residents of Beverly Hills in Los Angeles. That's the kind of treatment that's reserved for po' folks, which is basically why the cities have gone to **** in the 1st place since the man was murdered.

Overheal

Seen it too. More examples of unethical police discretion. It forces you to ask questions about their judgement.

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kowloon wrote: »

Unfortunately, it's on the infowars site, Youtube and Twitter have both banned him.

This one seems a little over the top:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esyMFOu8ZFE

What the ****

kowloon

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Where can I view this

Unfortunately, it's on the infowars site, Youtube and Twitter have both banned him.

This one seems a little over the top:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esyMFOu8ZFE

EltonJohn69

kowloon wrote: »

Just seen footage of Alex Jones driving around in an armoured 4WD trying to stick it to the Antifa Communists through loudspeakers. What a bizarre thing to watch.

Where can I view this

fullstop

Overheal wrote: »

ABC reports suggestively that there is a schism in the White House about how to address the nation because of the elephant in the room. Donald Trump has glorified himself as a provocateur in Chief, and now those chickens have come home to roost.

It’s actually unfathomable what’s going on over there right now. You have 100k+ dead from Covid (even at that, probably vastly under reported to suit trumps narrative), the president in deflection mode trying to pin everything on the WHO and China, then picking a fight with ****ing Twitter to do some more deflecting, even going to the trouble of signing an Executive Order against them while rambling at length about how he’s being victimised.

In the midst of all this, a police man murders someone by kneeling on his neck for 10 mins, sparking predictable outrage and mayhem from blacks and whites alike. The ‘president’ then goes on the attack against “do nothing democrat” mayors and governors for not calling in the national guard, who, where they have been called in, are basically acting like terrorists. I left out the part about him going to Space X and getting bored 16 seconds after takeoff, but I digress.

I’ve seen several videos on twitter etc the last day or 2 of the police and national guard acting like complete c*nts (running people over, pepper spraying them for no reason, etc.), but one I’ve watched just now (from Atlanta I think) has really ****ed me off. Black couple in a car, riot police/national guard/who knows stop them, try to open passenger door. When it won’t open, one of them smash the drivers window, another goes around slashing the tyres on both sides and both occupants tasered and arrested. Completely OTT, with 20 armed police surrounding the car, and 2 of them have already been fired.

The level of hatred is off the charts and is only being made worse by their ****ing cretinous president tweeting sh!te to fan the flames. Can see it getting very ugly over the next few days.

Rant. Over.