Pinch Flat wrote: » Ah yeah fair comment. Hes a careful enough chap. Respectful of others. He prefers to cycle, they'll do a few laps of the park and head home.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Kids are going to cycle on the path no matter what, or cycle wherever they can really. Should we ban kids from cycling? Of course not. The only threat on the paths or roads are motorised vehicles. Giving out about cyclists is just f*cking frustrated old twats with nothing better to do. I'm sick to death of it.
Pinch Flat wrote: » Yeah the same clowns who'll happily plonk two wheels of their car on the path and not give a ****e. The footpaths around my estate are barely useable by people with prams due to rampant abuse of the footpaths by careless motorists. Where they're wider, people will park the whole car on the path.
Charles Babbage wrote: » Do you think it is wise to give out the message that he should just do what he likes and screw everyone else. It is wholly unnecessary, you could walk 3km in half an hour.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Why is there so much hype about this lately? Is it not a great thing that people are out on bikes in any capacity? Has anyone been injured by cyclists on footpaths? Why don't people go nuts ringing radio shows about illegally parked cars absolutely everywhere? There are 7 outside my house right now illegally parked, just strewn around the place. There have been 18 pedestrians KILLED, yes KILLED, by people driving cars this year - but this doesn't seem to bother anyone? Why isn't Pat Kenny going nuts about this? Seriously, get your priorities right, bikes are not a danger to anyone.
Casey78 wrote: » Fully agree that is an issue that needs to be addressed, as someone with 3 small kids im often inconvenienced by cars parked on footpaths and I cant get a buggy past.That isn't what the thread is about though so maybe you should start one about that issue? I personally have no issue with cyclists on a footpath if I'm being honest. Once they move to get out of my way and not make me move to get out of theirs then they can cycle wherever they want for all I care.
Casey78 wrote: » I personally have no issue with cyclists on a footpath if I'm being honest. Once they move to get out of my way and not make me move to get out of theirs then they can cycle wherever they want for all I care.
monument wrote: » Please stop telling people what they can or cannot say on threads. And please read the Boards.ie commuting and transport charter Before posting again. — moderator
monument wrote: » LOL... cars are confined to roads... yet, it doesn't take long traveling around urban areas in Ireland before you find cars on footpaths, cycle paths, cycle lanes, and even on top of grass verges etc. It also says a lot that it's pedestrians, cyclists, but cars.... since when has Ireland had any driverless cars? It's easier to brush over wrong doing when you're not thinking about the humans involved.
Hmm... "cycling lobbyists on twitter" and "I'm a cyclist too" is the type of phrases used by anti-cycle path people in the UK and Cork council people who don't campaigners calling for action on cars parking in cycle lanes and inaction by the council.
It's insane... that (a) much of anything on this thread can be seen as "some cyclists denying that cyclists break the rules", (b) that you expect in a thread about something that you won't get people explaining why that something happens, or (c) you misunderstanding the words being posted by others due to your perspectives on these type of issues.
You'll find that people's perceptions of you is based on what you have said and your focus and way of talking about things.
That's really poor coming from the person who thinks "that pedestrians are confined to footpaths and cars to roads, yet cyclists can pick and choose, deciding on which laws to follow". Engaging with an issue and then calling it "whataboutery" when you're clearly loosing the argument is a bad look.
Thelonious Monk wrote: Why is there so much hype about this lately? Is it not a great thing that people are out on bikes in any capacity? Has anyone been injured by cyclists on footpaths? Why don't people go nuts ringing radio shows about illegally parked cars absolutely everywhere? There are 7 outside my house right now illegally parked, just strewn around the place. There have been 18 pedestrians KILLED, yes KILLED, by people driving cars this year - but this doesn't seem to bother anyone? Why isn't Pat Kenny going nuts about this? Seriously, get your priorities right, bikes are not a danger to anyone.
Pinch Flat wrote: » Ah yeah fair comment. Hes a careful enough chap. Respectful of others. He prefers to cycle, they'll do a few laps of the park and head home. Walking 20 odd km I guess just doesn't appeal to him.
Spook_ie wrote: » You should really be comparing apples with apples, how many people have been killed by parked cars? Are there a comparable number of people injured by parked cars on footpaths as to people injured by cyclists on footpaths?
07Lapierre wrote: » Parking cars on the pavement is selfish behaviour which shows a total disregard be the car owner of other people. They block the pavement forcing parents with kids to walk on the road. People in wheelchairs are also inconvenienced. And as for blind people? Parked cars must be a nightmare for them!
1 sheep2 wrote: » This is a really disappointing contribution from a mod. Hostile, badly written...
Thelonious Monk wrote: » Well there's thishttps://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/1218/1101993-rosemarie-gallagher/ and thishttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/jogger-dies-after-being-hit-by-van-in-dublin-1.4193127 these are just recent, cars mounting pedestrian areas and killing and maiming people. But yes bikes are the real danger.
Spook_ie wrote: » The discussion is parked cars, I didn't say anywhere that people on footpaths have never been hit by a moving vehicle. Again apples or oranges not both.
monument wrote: » The number of people majorly injured by cyclists on footpaths seem to be low in Ireland... unless you have figures to show otherwise? There seems to be more notable cases of motorists mounting footpaths and killing pedestrians.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » oh here's anotherhttps://theliberal.ie/breaking-woman-50s-killed-after-been-hit-by-a-car-driven-on-the-footpath-following-an-armed-robbery-in-dublin/ there are countless. so I don't get why people on bikes is something that garners so much rage. It may be a mild inconvenience to you the odd time but it doesn't warrant all the sh*te we have to listen to about it as if they're blasting ebola pellets in your face with a shotgun as they cycle past you.
RoversCeltic wrote: » It is illegal to cycle on paths or is that a misconception?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Why would you think that international comparisons are relevant?
It really doesn't matter in the slightest how good or bad things are in other countries.
The relevant comparison is to compare against the option of not killing two or three people each week.
Yeah, bloody hypocrites killing one person each decade, while improving public health, avoid toxic emissions and reducing traffic chaos. Who the hell do they think they are?
Again, your own personal experience isn't a great yardstick for measuring safety, given the ever-present risk of confirmation bias.
I can only imagine that families and friends of the increased number of road victims might have a different view to you on the relevance of these stats. I'm not sure that being told that your dead father/brother/mother/child is a statistical variance is going to give much comfort.
Spook_ie wrote: » As I said, try to stay on topic and maybe look at the figures for deaths by parked cars.
Spook_ie wrote: » Still unlikely to find many cases of people being being killed or injured by cars parked on footpaths, I daresay that the anecdotal evidence suports the theory that cyclists injure more peple on footpaths than parked cars. And I never said it wasn't selfish, just that when people suddenly splurge in the middle of a thread about motorists killing people that they need reining in.
Spook_ie wrote: » Again NOT a parked car, how many injuries or deaths do you have for parked cars. I'll give you one that happened to me, I was walking between vehicles in a multistory car park and hit my shin on a towball. I'm sure it probably happens on footpaths with cars parked as well BUT I'm not the one throwing in stats about deaths to try and secure points that are actually irrelevant to the topic of cyclists riding on the footpath and cars parked on the footpath.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » can you tell me why an article about a pedestrian killed by a driver of a car gets 2 or 3 comments under the news article saying RIP, but if a cyclist is killed it gets 100s blaming cyclists? because there is an irrational hatred of cyclists for god knows what reason, car drivers see them as an inconvenience as they may actually have to concentrate on their driving when they're around them.
