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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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Inquitus

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is bizarre and quite incomprehensible. The official White House twitter account violating social media rules on glorifying violence. Unreal.

Aye Trump tweeted "When the looting starts, the shooting starts!"

namloc1980

This is bizarre and quite incomprehensible. The official White House twitter account violating social media rules on glorifying violence. Unreal.

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Leroy42

If this was a once off, then sure, I can understand that the police are in a tough position and its easy sitting here to say what should be done, a lot harder when one is in the middle of things. Cops get scared too, and decisions are made that in less stressful times would be taken differently.

However, there is a clear history of this type of action. It certainly seems that the police are far quicker to move to a higher level against black and other minorities than they would be for whites.

namloc1980

I still can't get over the fact that armed men were allowed to walk into state legislatures in the US and essentially take them over and the police didn't bat an eyelid. What a crazy country.

Foxtrol

Quin_Dub wrote: »

It's an important point - The actions of a few have seriously damaged the far more important issues.

It gives certain groups the talking points to just say things like "See? , this is what the police are dealing with , no wonder they are heavy handed at times"

Whilst not condoning the actions of looters etc. - They have ruined the whole underlying reason for people being on the street, it would be interesting to see a timeline in terms of who escalated 1st?

I know the Police were using tear-gas and the like earlier in the day - what prompted them to do that?

I don't agree. Looting definitely gave them an easy excuse but those that want to find a reason to deflect from the issue always find a way.

Look at the kid that was chased and shot while out jogging and all the excuses the usual crowed dragged up against him.

Look at he peaceful NFL player protest that they twisted into hating 'da troops' and 'da flag', despite the person that advised that taking a knee would be respectful way of protest being a veteran.

Foxtrol

pixelburp wrote: »

It's arguably not even racism: bullies pick on those who are more vulnerable or in a more pronounced position of powerlessness. The cops won't pick fights with the weekend warriors that look like NPCs from Call of Duty 'cos they can fight back (and probably know each other from the gun-range anyway); meanwhile the lanky youths are just "punks" ripe for stepping on. There'll be some waffle about them being "know to police", maybe even have a laundry list of misdemeanours against their name - but that doesn't matter.

America right now is precisely the example to point to for all those who think a "tough approach" to law enforcement is the right path forward. The ones who think we should look the other way while the cops pour into every troubled neighbourhood armed to the teeth.

To me that argument falls when society is built so that the most vulnerable are generally minorities, so police then stereotype and act in that abusive manner towards anyone who has that colour skin.

pixelburp

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So - Black Kid giving them the finger from about 6 feet away gets Pepper-sprayed , but a few weeks ago we saw footage of white guys armed with automatic rifles screaming at police and covering them in spittle because they were literally a few inches away just get the "Stoic blank stare" response..

It's arguably not even racism: bullies pick on those who are more vulnerable or in a more pronounced position of powerlessness. The cops won't pick fights with the weekend warriors that look like NPCs from Call of Duty 'cos they can fight back (and probably know each other from the gun-range anyway); meanwhile the lanky youths are just "punks" ripe for stepping on. There'll be some waffle about them being "know to police", maybe even have a laundry list of misdemeanours against their name - but that doesn't matter.

America right now is precisely the example to point to for all those who think a "tough approach" to law enforcement is the right path forward. The ones who think we should look the other way while the cops pour into every troubled neighbourhood armed to the teeth.

Quin_Dub

Foxtrol wrote: »

While heavily armed those protesters tried to force their way onto the floor of the capitol building. Do you really believe a group of heavily armed black men screaming abuse would have been allowed to do that without police response and then Trump would have tweeted support?

Away from the rioting last night, police were just going around pepper spraying non-violent protesters.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1266211951668948992?s=20

https://twitter.com/TheDemCoalition/status/1266206126854504453?s=20

So - Black Kid giving them the finger from about 6 feet away gets Pepper-sprayed , but a few weeks ago we saw footage of white guys armed with automatic rifles screaming at police and covering them in spittle because they were literally a few inches away just get the "Stoic blank stare" response..

Foxtrol

As a contrast of police response, here are some of the 'fine people' at the reopen protests in action

https://twitter.com/vivian_v_/status/1256119999745277952?s=20

https://twitter.com/gcgukk/status/1266258461496446976?s=20

Foxtrol

MadYaker wrote: »

To be fair to the white supremacists in Michigan, their protest while armed was peaceful, they didn’t do any looting or rioting.

While heavily armed those protesters tried to force their way onto the floor of the capitol building. Do you really believe a group of heavily armed black men screaming abuse would have been allowed to do that without police response and then Trump would have tweeted support?

Away from the rioting last night, police were just going around pepper spraying non-violent protesters.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1266211951668948992?s=20

https://twitter.com/TheDemCoalition/status/1266206126854504453?s=20

Quin_Dub

MadYaker wrote: »

To be fair to the white supremacists in Michigan, their protest while armed was peaceful, they didn’t do any looting or rioting.

It's an important point - The actions of a few have seriously damaged the far more important issues.

It gives certain groups the talking points to just say things like "See? , this is what the police are dealing with , no wonder they are heavy handed at times"

Whilst not condoning the actions of looters etc. - They have ruined the whole underlying reason for people being on the street, it would be interesting to see a timeline in terms of who escalated 1st?

I know the Police were using tear-gas and the like earlier in the day - what prompted them to do that?

robinph

MadYaker wrote: »

To be fair to the white supremacists in Michigan, their protest while armed was peaceful, they didn’t do any looting or rioting.

More guns needed for more peaceful protests then obviously.

I'm sure the police won't then get themselves more and bigger guns in response to the population being ore heavily armed though.

Hurrache

Christy42 wrote: »

Donald tried to get around the twitter block (too strong, sidelining I guess since they just force a button click to view his tweet) by posting the same message on the white house twitter feed. He must be really proud of his incitement to violence and quoting of racists.

It gets the same treatment obviously.

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1266342941649506304

Yeah, I posted the tweet from the Whitehouse to show how they're trying to circumvent what Twitter did but it's gone. It's ridiculously petty.

MadYaker

To be fair to the white supremacists in Michigan, their protest while armed was peaceful, they didn’t do any looting or rioting.

Christy42

Donald tried to get around the twitter block (too strong, sidelining I guess since they just force a button click to view his tweet) by posting the same message on the white house twitter feed. He must be really proud of his incitement to violence and quoting of racists.

It gets the same treatment obviously.

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1266342941649506304

Foxtrol

Quite a contrast when you look at Trump's comments when he is talking about white protesters and black.

It was about this time last week when a certain element were faux outraged by a poor joke Biden made and now Trump is out there saying black protesters should be shot.

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1266240283068362752?s=20

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Blueshoe wrote: »

Yah heard it myself. On Irish news radio. Today FM I believe.

They left out the end of the quote. What a surprise.

Won’t somebody please think of poor unfortunate Donald. He’s being victimised by ****ing Twitter, while the county goes gown the tubes.

Penn

bad2dabone wrote: »

Yet people will defend him as not racist. He's clearly racist.

He's a despicable person. Rioting isn't going to solve anything but trump is incapable of calming the situation, he's actively making it worse.

I find his presidency so tiring, I cannot fathom why anyone would want four more years of this car crash.

Yeah but Biden sometimes muddles words up, so that's just as bad, if not worse, than Trump's racism, incompetence, narcissism, corruption, attacks on the media, attacks on elected officials, attacks on anyone who criticises him, lying, accusing people of murder with no justification, over 20 accusations of sexual assault including his ex-wife in a deposition saying he raped her, and also muddling his words up more than Biden does.

They're like two sides of the same coin, if one side was a bit dirty, and the other side was covered in sh*t.

bad2dabone

Christy42 wrote: »

The dude is openly quoting racists for his incitement to violence.

Yet people will defend him as not racist. He's clearly racist.

He's a despicable person. Rioting isn't going to solve anything but trump is incapable of calming the situation, he's actively making it worse.

I find his presidency so tiring, I cannot fathom why anyone would want four more years of this car crash.

Quin_Dub

Christy42 wrote: »

Thanks. That is a pretty horrific look. The reporter clearly asked repeatedly where the police wanted them to be standing and identified themselves. Impressively calm throughout the situation.

It sort of gets worse..

The reporter that was arrested is Black/Hispanic , however his White colleague also broadcasting from the area was told he was fine where he was...

Fellow CNN correspondent Josh Campell, who was also reporting from the city, said he was approached by police but was allowed to stay in the area to do his job. “I identified myself ... they said, ‘OK, you're permitted to be in the area,’” said Campbell, who is white. “I was treated much differently than [Jimenez] was.”

sydthebeat

Minnesota governor apologizes for arrest of CNN team
CNN president Jeff Zucker spoke with the governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz on Friday morning, following the arrest of CNN's team in Minneapolis,

Walz said he "deeply apologizes" for what happened and is working to have the CNN team released immediately.

Walz described the arrests as "unacceptable," said CNN's team clearly has the right to be there, and said he wants the media to be in Minnesota to cover the protests.

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html

Leroy42

I asume all those militias are on their way to the city to protect the people from the over bearing government.

I mean, isn't that the whole point of 2nd amendment?

looksee

According to the studio the crew had explained what they were doing, had asked very calmly where they should go - though they were where they had been told to be by the police - and the reporter, director and cameraman were arrested and the camera left running, lying on the ground. That has to be the strangest thing yet. It would be extremely hard for authority to justify that whole scenario.

Christy42

hetuzozaho wrote: »

It seems like they are in an area they should not be in? But he does ask them on the video where he should go, maybe they are replying and because not mic'd we cannot hear them? Would seem odd that they did not say or even gesture where he should go etc.

You can definitely hear them saying he is under arrest. He asks repeatedly where they should go so he would want to have been pretty confident the camera wasn't picking it up if he was simply brazenly ignoring their answers. They definitely don't seem to even be indicating a direction in the slightest. You would expect them to lead the reporters somewhere more sensible at least. He even explains why they ended up in that area.

CNN have obviously called for their release. The state police have a massive pr exercise ahead of them. Right now it looks like they have f'd up baaad.

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hetuzozaho wrote: »

But Gab wouldn't be effected as they are not getting involved with the content?

Yep correct, I mistakenly assumed it was generally classifying social media as publishers.

aloyisious

hetuzozaho wrote: »

It seems like they are in an area they should not be in? But he does ask them on the video where he should go, maybe they are replying and because not mic'd we cannot hear them? Would seem odd that they did not say or even gesture where he should go etc.

If they're state police, brought in like the Guard to assist city force, they may not know the layout or coordinated with the City force or the mayor.

hetuzozaho

sydthebeat wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/h_4ed08403663fa4ed3518221d0f2a1552

video of arrest here

It seems like they are in an area they should not be in? But he does ask them on the video where he should go, maybe they are replying and because not mic'd we cannot hear them? Would seem odd that they did not say or even gesture where he should go etc.

Gunmonkey

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Yep - OANN

Junior and a few others have bought a stake in the company that owns it.

Yup, a channel whos viewership follow along with his world view, so will accept whatever he says unwaveringly.
While his EO may harm Twitter, and himself, he could possibly be using it as a stick to beat Twitter and other non-OANN media outlets, citing the "censorship" and such he is facing as a reason to pivot to his own, owned news corp as opposed to him bailing and running away when he cant do/say what he wants without repercussion.

"Twitter and Facebook and the other failed deep-state media are trying to censor me....trying to nullify my first amendment rights....backed up by Sleepy Joe and Crooked Hillary *pause for chats on "Lock Her Up!" to subside*...and you what comes after first? Second...so its the same as them trying to take your guns from you...its true people! The fake news media...backed up by CHI-NA....are trying to block your rights as true patriots...covfefe!"

Its possibly a smart business move on his part, much as I hate to admit it. Simply put...what happens to him if he loses in November? he has built up this huge support base and cult of personality but without an avenue to direct it (such as voting support for his policies) what good is it to him right now? I doubt a lot of the rust belt supporters are avid golfers or travel to Florida/New York regularly! Or would be visiting his hotels for week long stays anytime soon (would imagine your almost looking at 4 figure prices per night for most of his hotels). Is there any reason for him to personally run his big rallies if the GOP arent footing the bill anymore, short of sheer narcissism? So a TV station kinda makes sense; run a sub model and he has a fair few million subscriptions almost instantly, his own platform where he can spout his unfiltered message (you can get away with a ton of **** on TV in America it seems...just look at Alex Jones and the gay frogs!), plus free advertisement space for whatever tat with his name/slogan on it (could we see a return of Trump Steaks?)

aloyisious

In my musing on Trumps sudden interest in protecting his freedom of speech, I got to thinking its about rallying the troops to his cause, that maybe he's aware that there may be a fall-off in support for him from the average GOP voter [outside the ones totally dedicated to him] and he's shaken by the fact that his treatment of the Covid-19 effect on them may have caused the fall-off. He may have split the GOP apart on a personal health issue no one saw coming.

That is why he's come up with this "they all [incl Fox] have it in for me" sh1tstorm, a fake tornado to suck in wavering GOP voters who are disenchanted with the way he's treating the average U.S citizen, trying to disenfranchize them of their vote, they now see themselves as being amongst the numbers there. I'm tempted to go looking for poll figure of GOP voters, even though they would have to have been collated by interested parties.

If that's true, all the Dems have to do is keep quiet, stay united and let him at it.