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Spring 2020 - General Discussion

Oscar Bravo

A cold showery start to March here in Castlebar. Hopefully it will turn drier towards mid month. Its needed at this stage.

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Gaoth Laidir

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Why do you need to know the exact decimal point so bad? It’s such an odd thing to get het up about.

Because all temperatures are measured to the nearest tenth of a degree, and one tenth can be the difference between a record being broken or not.

Slashermcguirk

Donegal is such a stunning county in weather like this. In my opinion the most beautiful county in the country. The beaches are unrivalled.

Backlash from people in southwest counties in 3.....2......1....

Donegal Storm wrote: »

The sea breeze probably gets counteracted by the urban heat island effect by the time it reaches Casement I would guess. Whereas the airport gets the wind straight off the sea

Lovely here in Donegal, no station but nearest reading around 25C all afternoon. Sky is increasingly hazy which should hopefully make for some nice colours towards sunset

Gaoth Laidir

Donegal Storm wrote: »

The sea breeze probably gets counteracted by the urban heat island effect by the time it reaches Casement I would guess. Whereas the airport gets the wind straight off the sea

Lovely here in Donegal, no station but nearest reading around 25C all afternoon. Sky is increasingly hazy which should hopefully make for some nice colours towards sunset

Dublin Airport had pretty much a constant wind direction of 120 degrees (east-southeasterly) this afternoon, which means air coming in off Dublin Bay just 10 km away.

Casement had wind 030-060 degrees earlier on, then 190 degrees as the temperature hit its highest value later in the afternoon. At 060 degrees the nearest coastline to Casement is 25 km away, more than double the distance that Dublin Airport is from Dublin Bay, and with a direction from 190 degrees it was tapping into much warmer air from an inland source.

Gaoth Laidir

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

Donegal is such a stunning county in weather like this. In my opinion the most beautiful county in the country. The beaches are unrivalled.

Backlash from people in southwest counties in 3.....2......1....

That beach beside Donegal Airport is amazing and no doubt contributes to why Donegal Airport approach has been repeatedly voted the most scenic in the world.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Because all temperatures are measured to the nearest tenth of a degree, and one tenth can be the difference between a record being broken or not.

That record exists whether they put it on the latest reports or not. They usually give the exact temperature on the evening weather if a record is broken and if it’s simply a record for a particular station, that’s available to check when the final report is collated. This is such a non-issue.

Slashermcguirk

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

That beach beside Donegal Airport is amazing and no doubt contributes to why Donegal Airport approach has been repeatedly voted the most scenic in the world.

Yes carrickfin, flew into that airport a few times. It’s spectacular. There are dozens of beautiful beaches along the long Donegal coastline. You also have the contrast then with glenveagh National park and the mountains.

I have been caught in some serious snowfalls in Donegal but on a nice day, it’s just spectacular

pad199207

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Dublin Airport had pretty much a constant wind direction of 120 degrees (east-southeasterly) this afternoon, which means air coming in off Dublin Bay just 10 km away.

Casement had wind 030-060 degrees earlier on, then 190 degrees as the temperature hit its highest value later in the afternoon. At 060 degrees the nearest coastline to Casement is 25 km away, more than double the distance that Dublin Airport is from Dublin Bay, and with a direction from 190 degrees it was tapping into much warmer air from an inland source.

If only there was a recording station in County Kildare.

ninebeanrows

Max temp was 26.8 at Mt Dillon

ninebeanrows

Should be simple to enable decimal number but vast majority of public dont want it and dare I say could it cause some confusion?

I certainly would like to see it on the site, just playing devil's advocate

amadangomor

On a personal note just delighted my factor 15 held up. Was sure was going to get frazzled at one stage. Lucky to have a bit of a base built up.

amadangomor

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Should be simple to enable decimal number but vast majority of public dont want it and dare I say could it cause some confusion?

I certainly would like to see it on the site, just playing devil's advocate

Pointless as most of our weather is very moderate and never near records. If it comes close it will be reported as such.

Very patronising to say people would be confused if a decimal was included. Just nobody would be interested as it would be pointless.

Gaoth Laidir

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That record exists whether they put it on the latest reports or not. They usually give the exact temperature on the evening weather if a record is broken and if it’s simply a record for a particular station, that’s available to check when the final report is collated. This is such a non-issue.

It's not the most serious problem in the world, I know, but at the same time there are plenty of people interested to more an extent than you seem to be and there is absolutely no reason why it can't be put there. If they're going to give it to a decimal place in the evening then why not do so every hour too?
And Siobhán this evening gave a rounded "27" in her chart today, which invalidates your point.

I've a lot of respect for Met Éireann but on this one and their website in general they've a lot of improvement to do. Your "ah sure it's good enough" attitude shouldn't exist in a professional government body.

Gaoth Laidir

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Should be simple to enable decimal number but vast majority of public dont want it and dare I say could it cause some confusion?

I certainly would like to see it on the site, just playing devil's advocate

How would it cause confusion?

Gonzo

looks mostly more of the same over the next few days, slightly cooler in western areas but most of the country low 20's to maybe 24C. 25C will probably be max over next few days.

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A very warm Saturday throughout the country, cooler along the coasts.

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Slightly cooler on Sunday but 20 to 24C for most of us.

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Monday could be warmer again, perhaps 24 to 27C in the midlands and inland east. Less of an easterly wind by then so Leinster in particular could warm up.

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Cooler everywhere from Tuesday as we head into a northerly.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

It's not the most serious problem in the world, I know, but at the same time there are plenty of people interested to more an extent than you seem to be and there is absolutely no reason why it can't be put there. If they're going to give it to a decimal place in the evening then why not do so every hour too?
And Siobhán this evening gave a rounded "27" in her chart today, which invalidates your point.

I've a lot of respect for Met Éireann but on this one and their website in general they've a lot of improvement to do. Your "ah sure it's good enough" attitude shouldn't exist in a professional government body.

Good god, I wish I had so little to be worrying about. I’m envious. You have to wait overnight to see the exact temperatures. Less than 12 hours usually as many of the final figures appear overnight. That’s it. Unless your work requires it (and that is pretty much nobody), knowing the decimal points at each hour is not at all necessary. It’s of interest to a small amount of people and that’s about it. So yes, it’s good enough.

They give the decimal points on the Yesterday’s Weather report every day which is available to all. They give the decimal point on the bulletin if a record is broken, as I clearly stated. Point not invalidated unless you think 27°C is a record?

Oscar Bravo

9pm

Markree castle 22 degrees
Finner 21 degrees

Oneiric 3

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Good god, I wish I had so little to be worrying about. I’m envious. You have to wait overnight to see the exact temperatures. Less than 12 hours usually as many of the final figures appear overnight. That’s it. Unless your work requires it (and that is pretty much nobody), knowing the decimal points at each hour is not at all necessary. It’s of interest to a small amount of people and that’s about it. So yes, it’s good enough.

They give the decimal points on the Yesterday’s Weather report every day which is available to all. They give the decimal point on the bulletin if a record is broken, as I clearly stated. Point not invalidated unless you think 27°C is a record?

Some people, myself included, are interested in these little details. Keep in mind that this is an Irish weather forum so for most of the regulars on here, 'rounded' just doesn't cut it. And anyway, wouldn't it just be of equal effort for the Met show the decimals as they happen as the rounded values?

Gaoth Laidir

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Good god, I wish I had so little to be worrying about. I’m envious. You have to wait overnight to see the exact temperatures. Less than 12 hours usually as many of the final figures appear overnight. That’s it. Unless your work requires it (and that is pretty much nobody), knowing the decimal points at each hour is not at all necessary. It’s of interest to a small amount of people and that’s about it. So yes, it’s good enough.

They give the decimal points on the Yesterday’s Weather report every day which is available to all. They give the decimal point on the bulletin if a record is broken, as I clearly stated. Point not invalidated unless you think 27°C is a record?

I'm not worried about it at all. You clearly don't get the reasons why it's important and that's fine. Others have more interest in weather and do see why accuracy is important, especially when it costs nothing more. There's a world of difference between 26.5 and 27.4 when it comes to it, but all that range is included as "27".

Not going to waste more time on it anyway. It seems some of the personnel in there are more keen on their looks and accents and upping their celeb status on Twitter than caring about a decimal point.

Slashermcguirk

I think I asked this previously but forgot the answer. What is the driest spring on record in Ireland and what location? Phoenix park this year at 52mm has to be close to an all time record. That is 52mm since 1st March and you have to assume there will be little if any rainfall between now and Sunday.

Averaging about 18mm per month, that is pretty exceptional over a 3 month period

Oscar Bravo

10pm 28/5/20

Markree Castle 20 degrees
Finner 20 degrees
Newport 19 degrees
Valentia 19 degrees
Belmullet 18 degrees

Gonzo

today's max temperatures, most of Ireland above 20C except for Cork, highest temperatures midlands, mid west and north-west.

Neddyusa

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

I think I asked this previously but forgot the answer. What is the driest spring on record in Ireland and what location? Phoenix park this year at 52mm has to be close to an all time record. That is 52mm since 1st March and you have to assume there will be little if any rainfall between now and Sunday.

Averaging about 18mm per month, that is pretty exceptional over a 3 month period

I asked the same question in the drought thread but no answers yet. Maybe SRyan might have these stats?
I'd reckon for a good swathe of the country from Wicklow to Roscommon it must be close to if not the driest spring on record.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Some people, myself included, are interested in these little details. Keep in mind that this is an Irish weather forum so for most of the regulars on here, 'rounded' just doesn't cut it. And anyway, wouldn't it just be of equal effort for the Met show the decimals as they happen as the rounded values?

I’m sorry to be blunt here (genuinely) but it’ll have to cut it. You don’t have any choice there.

And as for another forum member putting it down to laziness. Unless they are standing next to the meteorologists, that’s not a judgement they can make. If this pandemic had taught me anything, (and as somebody who used to work in a related field to virology) it’s that the country is packed full of people who think they know how to do other people’s jobs. If they are giving rounded figures, I’m going to trust that there is a reason for that. Maybe people here will scoff at that but providing those figures to the general public isn’t of pressing importance. For what reason do you think they’d not be supplying them? I’d imagine providing precise figures to hobbyists is low on the list on priorities because why wouldn’t it be? Saying something “just doesn’t cut it” is honestly foot-stamping stuff.

Slashermcguirk

Yesterday’s temps starting to load on met.ie. Casement and Shannon only ones up so far. Casement hit 25.6 degrees and Shannon 24.2

Gaoth Laidir

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m sorry to be blunt here (genuinely) but it’ll have to cut it. You don’t have any choice there.

And as for another forum member putting it down to laziness. Unless they are standing next to the meteorologists, that’s not a judgement they can make. If this pandemic had taught me anything, (and as somebody who used to work in a related field to virology) it’s that the country is packed full of people who think they know how to do other people’s jobs. If they are giving rounded figures, I’m going to trust that there is a reason for that. Maybe people here will scoff at that but providing those figures to the general public isn’t of pressing importance. For what reason do you think they’d not be supplying them? I’d imagine providing precise figures to hobbyists is low on the list on priorities because why wouldn’t it be? Saying something “just doesn’t cut it” is honestly foot-stamping stuff.

Do you really think the hourly reports are manually typed in by someone so I could stand over them a whip them to put in the decimal? It's all automated and taken from the synop reports, which are themselves reported decimalised. The system therefore does the rounding itself. All it takes is a few clicks by IT to change the setting (it's not the meteorologists' job) and it's done.

Gaoth Laidir

Here's the Global Solar Radiation for the Phoenix Park for Spring so far, up to and including yesterday. I don't know what the record is but this year really stands out.

sryanbruen

This spring looks to be a record breaking dry one at Phoenix Park indeed and by a very significant amount from the previous driest, driest springs for the station on record:

1. 2020 - 52.6mm
2. 1929 - 78.1mm
3. 2007 - 79.8mm
4. 1944 - 80.2mm
5. 1990 - 85.3mm
6. 1893 - 86.0mm
7. 1938 - 87.1mm
8. 2011 - 90.2mm
9. 1887 - 92.5mm
10. 1901 - 94.6mm

Data from Met Eireann

Slashermcguirk

Thanks for that, really interesting. Do we know where the driest spring ever recorded was? I know Dublin tends to be the driest county each year so presumably it’s a Dublin or south east of Ireland station that has the all time record.

As you said, it’s a considerable record at Phoenix park, well ahead of previous records

sryanbruen wrote: »

This spring looks to be a record breaking dry one at Phoenix Park indeed and by a very significant amount from the previous driest, driest springs for the station on record:

1. 2020 - 52.6mm
2. 1929 - 78.1mm
3. 2007 - 79.8mm
4. 1944 - 80.2mm
5. 1990 - 85.3mm
6. 1893 - 86.0mm
7. 1938 - 87.1mm
8. 2011 - 90.2mm
9. 1887 - 92.5mm
10. 1901 - 94.6mm

Data from Met Eireann

Slashermcguirk

Dunsany and Phoenix park already 20 degrees at 10am

US2

sryanbruen wrote: »

This spring looks to be a record breaking dry one at Phoenix Park indeed and by a very significant amount from the previous driest, driest springs for the station on record:

1. 2020 - 52.6mm
2. 1929 - 78.1mm
3. 2007 - 79.8mm
4. 1944 - 80.2mm
5. 1990 - 85.3mm
6. 1893 - 86.0mm
7. 1938 - 87.1mm
8. 2011 - 90.2mm
9. 1887 - 92.5mm
10. 1901 - 94.6mm

Data from Met Eireann

The only 2 of them in my memory turned out to have horrible summers 07 & 11 :-(