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Gangland Shootings part 3 - Read OP before posting - updated 27/12/23

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Figel Narage

Ciro Di Marzio wrote: »

The Thompson book was probably the best written book of all the Irish gangland ones, the interviews and data they had was very good. In contrast some of the Paul Williams ones are written terribly, he re-hashes the same stories multiple times using the same phrases I.e. “leafy suburbs” to describe any posher area and “run down council estate” to describe any rough area in Ireland. Very inarticulate writer.

Another good one lads was ‘Mean Streets’ by Barry Duggan on the limerick feud.

I’ve been reading them all since I was a kid going back to Gangland in 98 and the one on Gilligan. Pity Williams was the main figure for so long. But Breen’s style is much better in recent years. Just a much better way of putting the info across and referencing the various sources.

Yeah maybe. I think reading the cartel book first ruined it for me as alot of the information in Freddie Thompson's book was in the cartel's book and I didn't really learn anything new. I think if it came out on it's own I would have enjoyed it more

dundalkfc10

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Covid being very good to the Gardai. The dealers cant shift what they are getting supplied with .

For every gram they find, theres 10 times that flying about

1968

Ciro Di Marzio wrote: »

The Thompson book was probably the best written book of all the Irish gangland ones, the interviews and data they had was very good. In contrast some of the Paul Williams ones are written terribly, he re-hashes the same stories multiple times using the same phrases I.e. “leafy suburbs” to describe any posher area and “run down council estate” to describe any rough area in Ireland. Very inarticulate writer.

Another good one lads was ‘Mean Streets’ by Barry Duggan on the limerick feud.

I’ve been reading them all since I was a kid going back to Gangland in 98 and the one on Gilligan. Pity Williams was the main figure for so long. But Breen’s style is much better in recent years. Just a much better way of putting the info across and referencing the various sources.

Have you ever seen a copy of Underworld by John Mooney? He wrote the bio of Gilligan and one on the RIRA. Never seen a copy for sale, online or offline. Not sure if it was actually ever published.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Underworld-Journey-into-Organised-Crime/dp/1905379366/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=john+mooney+underworld&qid=1590585437&sr=8-2

For a memoir, The Miracle of Fatima Mansions by Shay Byrne is good. All about a Drimnagh fella who gets involved in drugs as a teenager (LSD, weed) in the 1960s and then into smack in the 70s and so on. Doesn't name names but gives a very good and colourful account of the drug business from the point of a user, but who grew up and knew a lot of major dealers, in that period.

https://www.maverickhouse.com/books/the-miracle-of-fatima-mansions/

Figel Narage

monty_python wrote: »

There was 2 young fellas shot in the last monthish
Both survived

Ah right. I dunno any inside details about it. Some people here are a lot more in the know about the inside stories then I would be as they must live in the areas. To be honest I'm a lot more interested in Kinahan - Hutch related stuff and not hugely interested in local feuds or shootings. Drogheda for instance I don't have an interest in at all and while its interesting that some people on here have an insight into people like RL, it's just not my thing. A lot of people may be the other way around and that's fine as well, just happy to be on the thread

1968

Haladmirer wrote: »

Jaysus Gerard Morgan had just turned 15 when he was murdered
Any links that claims monk involved?

Yeah, very sad stuff. Definitely the youngest person killed as a result of a gangland shooting in Dublin. Melanie McCarthy-McNamara (16) in 2012 would be next youngest I think.

Gerard Morgan's mother was alive and living in the same home as of 2015.

https://www.thejournal.ie/gerard-morgan-2504011-Dec2015/

From 'Badfellas' (p.181) and newspaper reports, the story goes that Gerard's older brother Alan was involved in an AIB bank robbery in Drumcondra in Feb. 1982 with Martin Cahill and co. Proceeds of the robbert went missing and Alan was blamed. The Monk and Eamon Kelly were arrested after threatening Alan but no charges. Shots were fired at the Morgan family home in March. Gerard was shot dead two months later.

monty_python

Figel Narage wrote: »

Which last two?

There was 2 young fellas shot in the last monthish
Both survived

Banana Republic.

6541 wrote: »

So we have south American hit teams now !
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/0527/1142921-midlands-arrest/

Jesus for a “hit team” they were carrying allot of weapons, cash and ammo. That’s alot to be trying to carry out a hit aswell lol They most of been supplying these to hit teams instead of being the “hit teams”. I think in general there is very little talked about foreign nationals living here and shifting these lads about the country. Not as fancy as the home boys? Or are the Journos not even taking a chance not knowing their backgrounds?

italodisco

6541 wrote: »

So we have south American hit teams now !
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/0527/1142921-midlands-arrest/

To be fair we're overrun with 'students' from Brazil, Peru, Venezuela etc so I'm not surprised.

'students' hahahaha

6541

So we have south American hit teams now !
https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/0527/1142921-midlands-arrest/

Ciro Di Marzio

Figel Narage wrote: »

I have to say I was very entertained by that book and turned out to be a lot better then I expected. I'm sure not all of it is true but it was an interesting read. The Freddie Thompson book however was not great, I was hoping it would get more into the first feud he was in and read about some of his other associates such as GW and Paddy Doyle but there was another book years ago about it that was a lot better

The Thompson book was probably the best written book of all the Irish gangland ones, the interviews and data they had was very good. In contrast some of the Paul Williams ones are written terribly, he re-hashes the same stories multiple times using the same phrases I.e. “leafy suburbs” to describe any posher area and “run down council estate” to describe any rough area in Ireland. Very inarticulate writer.

Another good one lads was ‘Mean Streets’ by Barry Duggan on the limerick feud.

I’ve been reading them all since I was a kid going back to Gangland in 98 and the one on Gilligan. Pity Williams was the main figure for so long. But Breen’s style is much better in recent years. Just a much better way of putting the info across and referencing the various sources.

MickyPearse

700K cash seizure in Whitehall. 3 arrested. Aged 53,29 and 22. 30k worth MDMA pills on them too. Anyone hear who was involved?

Don Logan

Figel Narage wrote: »

Haha, yeah that's the one. Very good book on the feud, would recommend

I’ve read it twice, I’m an avid reader and usually read crime books that are mostly based in America but it was good to finally go through one based in ireland

Figel Narage

Don Logan wrote: »

I think that was Cocaine Wars, I bought that second hand off some fella in Dublin and have the pages were ripped out for roach papers haha!

Haha, yeah that's the one. Very good book on the feud, would recommend

Don Logan

Figel Narage wrote: »

I have to say I was very entertained by that book and turned out to be a lot better then I expected. I'm sure not all of it is true but it was an interesting read. The Freddie Thompson book however was not great, I was hoping it would get more into the first feud he was in and read about some of his other associates such as GW and Paddy Doyle but there was another book years ago about it that was a lot better

I think that was Cocaine Wars, I bought that second hand off some fella in Dublin and half the pages were ripped out for roach papers haha!

Figel Narage

monty_python wrote: »

Very little said on here about the last 2 shootings.
You guys must know very little about them

Which last two?

monty_python

Very little said on here about the last 2 shootings.
You guys must know very little about them

Figel Narage

1968 wrote: »

While the Monk certainly enjoys the ODC and "likeable villain" image, he and his crew are considered the chief suspects in gangland hits in Dublin going back to 1982 (Gerard Morgan, his brother was the actual target) and 1987 (Mel Cox, allegedly got in a fight with the Monk and/or his family in a pub). He may not have drank, smoked or did drugs but he wasn't a non-violent person by nature either.

In regards to the Kinahans, journalist Stephen Breen in 'The Cartel' (2017) has stated that the first person killed under their orders was Kieran Smyth in Dundalk (2001) who helped with transport logistics but who they thought was informing to the authorities. Fairly interesting reveal as the press pointed the finger at the Real IRA at the time AFAIK.

I have to say I was very entertained by that book and turned out to be a lot better then I expected. I'm sure not all of it is true but it was an interesting read. The Freddie Thompson book however was not great, I was hoping it would get more into the first feud he was in and read about some of his other associates such as GW and Paddy Doyle but there was another book years ago about it that was a lot better

Haladmirer

Jaysus Gerard Morgan had just turned 15 when he was murdered
Any links that claims monk involved?

The enlightened one

Jeff2 wrote: »

No,there is a specific name for after a company made a mess of trying to get out of a problem.

"Exacerbate" the problem?

Sweet.Science

smodgley wrote: »

Michael O'Toole
@mickthehack
·
3m
BREAKING: some €700,000 in cash and drugs seized by
@gardainfo
Drugs and Organises Crime Bureau in Whitehall, north Dublin. Three arrests.

Covid being very good to the Gardai. The dealers cant shift what they are getting supplied with .

Haladmirer

The monk financed Gary's early drug deals and planned his tiger kidnapping jobs

smodgley

Michael O'Toole
@mickthehack
·
3m
BREAKING: some €700,000 in cash and drugs seized by
@gardainfo
Drugs and Organises Crime Bureau in Whitehall, north Dublin. Three arrests.

1968

MickyPearse wrote: »

The Monk is the reason the H side are so liked. He was always a likable villain. His interview on Prime Time years ago is a great watch. I agree though that his nephews and the rest of the H side like mago are no better than the Ks.

While the Monk certainly enjoys the ODC and "likeable villain" image, he and his crew are considered the chief suspects in gangland hits in Dublin going back to 1982 (Gerard Morgan, his brother was the actual target) and 1987 (Mel Cox, allegedly got in a fight with the Monk and/or his family in a pub). He may not have drank, smoked or did drugs but he wasn't a non-violent person by nature either.

In regards to the Kinahans, journalist Stephen Breen in 'The Cartel' (2017) has stated that the first person killed under their orders was Kieran Smyth in Dundalk (2001) who helped with transport logistics but who they thought was informing to the authorities. Fairly interesting reveal as the press pointed the finger at the Real IRA at the time AFAIK.

high_tower

1968 wrote: »

While Kirwan was definitely an 'easy' and petty target, the media did seem to go out of their way to portray him as a squeaky clean innocent childhood friend of The Monk. He did have a past. Kirwan did two years inside in the early 1980s for running protection rackets in the North Inner City and in the 1990s he was charged but not convicted of firearm possession. He was also a brother-in-law of Eamon Kelly (killed 2012). Not that any of that would make him come close to being a 'legitimate' target in the feud but I think he more 'connected' to that world than the media portrayed him at the time.

Interesting. I’d love to know how many “self made men” from the inner city have had their businesses grown through washing money of contacts they grew up with.

1968

John_D3 wrote: »

Do you justify the killing of Noel Kirwan? Simple way of dealing with it would of been take there time and get Patrick/ Mago and possibly Nathan for the regency. They took it all to a complete new level.

While Kirwan was definitely an 'easy' and petty target, the media did seem to go out of their way to portray him as a squeaky clean innocent childhood friend of The Monk. He did have a past. Kirwan did two years inside in the early 1980s for running protection rackets in the North Inner City and in the 1990s he was charged but not convicted of firearm possession. He was also a brother-in-law of Eamon Kelly (killed 2012). Not that any of that would make him come close to being a 'legitimate' target in the feud but I think he more 'connected' to that world than the media portrayed him at the time.

Banana Republic.

Jeff2 wrote: »

No,there is a specific name for after a company made a mess of trying to get out of a problem.

MTK

Banana Republic.

Carioco wrote: »

Like the Kinahans ?

Day to day I’m sure they wouldn’t have anything to do with them, I’m sure it’s only the top lads are involved in that feud. The low level wouldn’t have the smarts for the likes of The Monk. I’m sure everything would need to be approved by DK for any action so doubt they’d have everyone ready for action, could be wrong of course.

Jeff2

Sausage_blaa wrote: »

Digging a hole?

No,there is a specific name for after a company made a mess of trying to get out of a problem.

Sausage_blaa

Jeff2 wrote: »

It's mad how bad this PR stunt has gone for Danny and is highlighted in the media when celebs are trying to get noticed but very little coverage.

Great IMO.

There is a name for it that I can't remember what it is where you try lie your way out of something and make it worse.:)

Digging a hole?

Jeff2

It's mad how bad this PR stunt has gone for Danny and is highlighted in the media when celebs are trying to get noticed but very little coverage.

Great IMO.

There is a name for it that I can't remember what it is where you try lie your way out of something and make it worse.:)