Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I have shown you why thats not the case starting at 106 page down.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058013685&page=8
Overheal wrote: » We've shown you why it is the case. Here's an example:https://s3.amazonaws.com/tt_assets/pdf/WTC_7_Collapse_Analysis_and_Assessment_Report.pdf
Dohnjoe wrote: » "Little office fires"
Dohnjoe wrote: » "Little office fires"https://youtu.be/XW7CACDE-oU?t=101
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Overheal can close the thread the debate over- freefall never happened in the NIST study. Images from their own computer model show it. We moving goalposts here again and saying another study showed it possible?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I Can see the images and photograph of the buildings just before collapse.
Dohnjoe wrote: » That's nice. WTC 7 on the right
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » You found quotes have you talked to them personally?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Sorry to burst your bubble the times are shown for this are highlighted by NIST on page 200 (around 2pm) and keep going you find the image (overheal was looking for the source) there too taken at 3pm.https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861611
Dohnjoe wrote: » Are you claiming these interviews are false?https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html "A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, were made public on Aug. 12. The New York Times has published all of them."
Overheal wrote: » The thread doesn't open and close because of your say so. Stop bringing it up. It's backseat modding. We'd have to card you, then you'd storm off again, cursing about moderator bias while everyone else on the forum stands by amused at the transparency of such a face-saving scheme.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » https://www.ae911truth.org/images//PDFs/090116-118Witnesses.pdf
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I am finished. I proved my point hours ago.
Here's what Gage's "expert" structural engineers say. All quotes are from Gage's website. These are the words of his best and brightest. –Charles Pegelow thinks nuclear weapons destroyed the towers. No, I'm not kidding. –Robert T. Mote thinks the tower collapses started from the bottom: "I could never understand the 'convenient' vertical collapse at the BASE due to an extreme event at height." –Structural engineer Dennis Kollar says, “For me the most convincing aspect that the 911 collapse was a controlled demolition is the recorded explosions on the 9/11 Eyewitness DVD.” The "recorded explosions" he's referring to are wind noise captured by the camera in Hoboken, a few miles away from the WTC. That should be staggeringly obvious to anyone who has seen footage from close to the WTC, where what would be absolutely enormous "explosions" are not captured by any microphones. –Structural engineer Michael Donley says, "I have read the FEMA report and conclude that it is incomplete at best and a cover-up at worst.” The FEMA report? Welcome to 2002, Mr. Donley. You might try reading the 10,000 page NIST report. Can't blame you, though. Richard has led by example and not bothered to read the NIST report either. (Yes, I can prove that.) –Engineer Edward Knesl says, “We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.” Faster than freefall! He' hasn't even bothered to review videos of the collapses. Can these people possibly be any less competent? Actually, yes. Here's what AE 911 Truth engineer Donald Messerlian believes: “Seismographic evidence proved pre-planted explosives destroyed WTC 1, 2 and building 7 before the planes struck buildings 1 & 2.” Right. The three WTC buildings were destroyed before the planes hit. In the same vein of disturbed fantasy, Richard's aerospace engineer is a "no-planer": –"After performing some in-depth research on this subject, I have come to the conclusion that no commercial airplanes impacted the two WTC Towers. No commercial plane impacted the Pentagon. No commercial aircraft buried itself in Pennsylvania terra firma."
Dohnjoe wrote: » Attempted deflection but sure.. Yes I am pretty confident these people heard explosions and loud bangs throughout the day. Firefighters also describe hearing these. Wouldn't that contradict your "silent explosives" theory? This doesn't address my question, the firefighters, chiefs and EMTs who described what they saw with their own eyes, are they lying according to you?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » It not silent. You can even see the demolition went off at the bottom here on video (see all black smoke moving to the left of the picture) and camera just far away you can't hear, the loud rubble sound. NIST also took out some frames for some reason, when the Penthouse fell. NIST is a deception group and hiding whats happening. Start at 8.13 minutes.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » It
Overheal wrote: » So now it wasn't thermite?
Dohnjoe wrote: » More attempts to duck and evade, I would suggest a career in politics
Dohnjoe wrote: » More attempts to duck and evade, I would suggest a career in politics I'll ask the question again The firefighters, chiefs and EMTs who described what they saw with their own eyes, are they lying according to you?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Harrit samples are from Twin Towers dust not wtc7. The towers exploded apart in air, suggests they used something else there.
"The earliest-collected sample came from Mr. Frank Delessio who, according to his videotaped testimony [17], was on the Manhattan side of the Brooklyn Bridge about the time the second tower, the North Tower, fell to the ground. He saw the tower fall and was enveloped by the resulting thick dust which settled throughout the area. He swept a handful of the dust from a rail on the pedestrian walkway near the end of the bridge, about ten minutes after the fall of the North Tower. He then went to visit his friend, Mr. Tom Breidenbach, carrying the dust in his hand, and the two of them discussed the dust and decided to save it in a plastic bag. On 11/15/2007, Breidenbach sent a portion of this dust to Dr. Jones for analysis. Breidenbach has also recorded his testimony about the collection of this dust sample on videotape [17]. Thus, the Delessio/Breidenbach sample was collected about ten minutes after the second tower collapsed. It was, therefore, definitely not contaminated by the steelcutting or clean-up operations at Ground Zero, which began later. Furthermore, it is not mixed with dust from WTC 7, which fell hours later."
Overheal wrote: » This is factually untrue - or at best misleading. If you want to get right down to this: Harrit et al. only had 4 dust samples, and none of them were in fact harvested from the WTC. The closest of the 4 samples is from an apartment across the street from the WTC complex, and it was harvested 1 week after the collapse, and it was collected by an amateur citizen in a plastic bag by unspecified mechanical means (no mention of gloves, etc). Section 1 of their paper explains this in clear detail. Therfore the samples are 'WTC dust' not just "WTC 1 dust" or "WTC 2 dust"https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf Why would they use 'something else' for WTC 1 and 2 than WTC 7? Why not WTC 5? Or 3 or 4 or 6?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Read page 9! how they collected the dust and when.
Overheal wrote: » Oh, I have. So, what is your point?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Of course the nanothermite came from the collector hand. You solved it.
King Mob wrote: » According to you guys, 650 demolition charges just went off and took out all the steel supports on each of 8 floors. Yet, we can't hear any of them.
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